Canterbury Binge: 2021

[pb2015]

I did NH Missing Pieces yesterday....totally fantastic. I loooove "Clocks and Clouds".

I treasured that when I got a recording of the BBC session in the early 90's.

[arturs]

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Ninesense was a really good group, obviously inspired by (and featuring) a number of the Brotherhood of Breath folks.

NP: Ninesense Live at the 100 Club. Those are some sweet sweet harmonies that Elton gets out of the horns!

[JKL2000]

NP: Egg - The Polite Force

Boy the recording quality is pretty poor on this! The band sounds like it's under water.

[aith01]

NP: Egg - The Polite Force

Boy the recording quality is pretty poor on this! The band sounds like it's under water.

Really? Which version are you listening to? I thought it sounded pretty good.

[JKL2000]

Really? Which version are you listening to? I thought it sounded pretty good.

The 2004 remaster from Eclectic.

[Scrotum Scissor]

^ Have to say that I only keep the original Deram vinyl version of The Polite Force, but it's one of the best-sounding 1970 rock albums I own. With some other keys-based groups the challenge was obviously how to get each rack equally levelled, but the thing about Dave Stewart was that he got ca. 37 different sounds from one and the same organ (and some piano, of course). So there was obviously that, plus the fact that Clive Brooks apparently always demanded a drum sound somewhat at odds with the usual mode.

The "Boilk" collage/montage, for instance, features some truly extreme leaps in frequence and depth between the various layers, making for some shocking equilibrium and modulation. Overall I think it's a GREAT record, production-wise as well.

[Kcrimso]

I also have 2004 Eclectic CD of The Polite Force and I don't think it as particularly bad sounding. It is quite ok for the band that surely did not have Yes or ELP level recording budget.

[JKL2000]

It was really the bass that sounded very muffled to me. In fact, at first I wrote that the bass sounded like it was under water, because the keyboards actually sounded pretty good at times, but I changed it to say the album in general, so I may have overstated it. The bass didn't sound great to me, but maybe for 1971 it wasn't as bad as I thought. I'm not usually one to be bothered by recording quality, actually, as long as the music's good, which is undoubtedly is in this case.

[alucard]

I pulled out two records by Julie Driscoll/ Tippetts with a strong Canterbury presence:
Julie Driscoll: 1969 (guess the date)
About half of the tracks with woodwind/ brass arrangements by Keith Tippett with Marc Charig, Elton Dean, Nick Evans on wood and brass, plus Trevor Tompkins on drums, Jeff Clyne on bass and Chris Spedding on guitar. Nice record with a small preference for the windy tracks
Julie Tippetts: Sunset Glow (1975)
Name change and six years later, but nearly the same musicians again arranged by Keith Tippett with
Dean, Charig, Evans plus Louis Moholo on drums and Brian Godding on guitar, the record is a bit more adventurous then the 69 one.
And yes Julie played also on the Robert Wyatt and Friends Drury Lane concert in 74

[calyx]

I pulled out two records by Julie Driscoll/ Tippetts with a strong Canterbury presence:
Julie Driscoll: 1969 (guess the date)

Despite its title, "1969" was released in 1971, and mostly recorded in (early) 1970. 1969 was when she wrote the songs.

[Trane]

I pulled out two records by Julie Driscoll/ Tippetts with a strong Canterbury presence:
Julie Driscoll: 1969 (guess the date)
Julie Tippetts: Sunset Glow (1975)

Two great records with +/- the same crowd, some three years apart.

[alucard]

I have relistened to a Caravan concert : 15th of october 74 Record Plant Sausalito from the first US tour, very good sound quality. Afterwards I relistened to the official Fairfield Concert from september 74 to compare. The trackorder is nearly the same, but For Richard has moved to the second postion on the october concert after Memory../ Headloss with a great Mini-Moog intro by Sinclair, it´s a very gritty texture reminding a bit industrial bands over a choral motiv, it´s quite long about 2 minutes and the whole track is about 4 minutes longer. This might be my favourite For Richard live version so far. The overall balnce between the instruments is better to my ears then on the Fairfield Decca remaster. The last track on the US concert is Love in your eye which is also about 4 minutes longer. The two long tracks are outstanding on this recording, a real funky flow , the Rhodes and organ are crisper, better soloing. Highly recommended!

[calyx]

The For Richard intro later became part of the Dabsong Conshirtoe.

Iirc that tour was when Dave switched from Hammond to that horrible organ he used on Cunning Stunts. His signature sound was lost there and then.

He tried to resurrect it in the 1990s with fuzz organ type synth sounds but it was never quite the same.

[JKL2000]

I have relistened to a Caravan concert : 15th of october 74 Record Plant Sausalito from the first US tour, very good sound quality. Afterwards I relistened to the official Fairfield Concert from september 74 to compare. The trackorder is nearly the same, but For Richard has moved to the second postion on the october concert after Memory../ Headloss with a great Mini-Moog intro by Sinclair, it´s a very gritty texture reminding a bit industrial bands over a choral motiv, it´s quite long about 2 minutes and the whole track is about 4 minutes longer. This might be my favourite For Richard live version so far. The overall balnce between the instruments is better to my ears then on the Fairfield Decca remaster. The last track on the US concert is Love in your eye which is also about 4 minutes longer. The two long tracks are outstanding on this recording, a real funky flow , the Rhodes and organ are crisper, better soloing. Highly recommended!

What is the name of the album you prefer? (I missed something here I think.)

[alucard]

What is the name of the album you prefer? (I missed something here I think.)

It's a bootleg : Caravan Live at Record Plant Sausalito
First US tour 15th of october 74

[alucard]

The For Richard intro later became part of the Dabsong Conshirtoe.

Iirc that tour was when Dave switched from Hammond to that horrible organ he used on Cunning Stunts. His signature sound was lost there and then.

He tried to resurrect it in the 1990s with fuzz organ type synth sounds but it was never quite the same.

Have to listen to it again. You are sure he used this new organ during the whole tour? btw what is the brand name?

[JKL2000]

It's a bootleg : Caravan Live at Record Plant Sausalito
First US tour 15th of october 74

Thanks. On YouTube (there's one that isn't "remastered" too.):

[Kcrimso]

I have been listening these lately:

Pip Pyle's Equip'Out: s/t (1987)
Phil Miller In Cahoots : Conspiracy Theories (2007)

[alucard]

Thanks. On YouTube (there's one that isn't "remastered" too.):

That´s the one,
there is just a short presentation that is cut out in the beginning

[alucard]

The For Richard intro later became part of the Dabsong Conshirtoe.

Iirc that tour was when Dave switched from Hammond to that horrible organ he used on Cunning Stunts. His signature sound was lost there and then.

He tried to resurrect it in the 1990s with fuzz organ type synth sounds but it was never quite the same.

I am not sure that he doesn´t play a Hammond. I think he used a third keyboard , something like an Elka String Ensemble. On Memory... Headloss he has the leslied Hamond sound and then in For Richard after the minimoog/organ intro and the acoustic guitar intro he has this third instrument coming in , that a lot of bands used back then. ( I wonder if it´s not the same keyboard Billy Preston used on Black & Blue for ex in Fool To Cry)
btw on the video towards 18:40 he switches back to the Hammond and then towards 21:00 a nice guitar/moog duet

I found a series of photos from the tour and it looks like Sinclair has the Mini Moog on top of a Hammond (photo 4)
https://britrockbythebay.blogspot.co...mber-1974.html

I found a pic from another angle and it´s definetely his Hammond with the sticker on the left side. Does someone recognize the keyboard at the right on top of the Hammond

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[Mister Triscuits]

I found a pic from another angle and it´s definetely his Hammond with the sticker on the left side. Does someone recognize the keyboard at the right on top of the Hammond

Looks like another Minimoog.

[calyx]

Have to listen to it again. You are sure he used this new organ during the whole tour? btw what is the brand name?

Audio Electric, according to the credits on "Cunning Stunts". My memory was that he was using that as early as the 1974 US tour, but I may be wrong. In any case, by 1975 his organ sound had changed to the point where I'd rather hear him play Minimoog. And he did switch to playing more solos on Moog or Rhodes, and little or none on organ.

[calyx]

The organ on the Sausalito recording doesn't sound shockingly bad, but there's something missing. It's not the full-fledged Canterbury organ sound that Dave had on "If I Could..." and "Grey & Pink". It makes little audible use of distorsion - so, no "fuzz". It does use wah-wah, make adds character. By 1975, as I said, the organ tone had become thin and reedy, almost Ratledge-like at times (circa "Seven"), which doesn't fit Caravan imho. And Pye's guitar tone is nothing short of disastrous. From that point on, my interest swtiches decidedly to Geoffrey's viola.

Here is the BBC In Concert from March 1975 -

[JKL2000]

NP: Soft Machine - Virtually

[chalkpie]

I have relistened to a Caravan concert : 15th of october 74 Record Plant Sausalito from the first US tour, very good sound quality. Afterwards I relistened to the official Fairfield Concert from september 74 to compare. The trackorder is nearly the same, but For Richard has moved to the second postion on the october concert after Memory../ Headloss with a great Mini-Moog intro by Sinclair, it´s a very gritty texture reminding a bit industrial bands over a choral motiv, it´s quite long about 2 minutes and the whole track is about 4 minutes longer. This might be my favourite For Richard live version so far. The overall balnce between the instruments is better to my ears then on the Fairfield Decca remaster. The last track on the US concert is Love in your eye which is also about 4 minutes longer. The two long tracks are outstanding on this recording, a real funky flow , the Rhodes and organ are crisper, better soloing. Highly recommended!

Thanks sounds interesting