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Thread: Really good read about John Gilmore and John Coltrane's mutual influence

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    Really good read about John Gilmore and John Coltrane's mutual influence

    I was doing a google search to see if the "Sun Ra influenced Coltrane" thing was real or an urban legend and found this page on a jazz forum I've never heard of:

    http://www.organissimo.org/forum/ind...nd-vice-versa/


    Highly suggested.

    To me, the sax players are what makes Sun Ra go. But I suppose I'm into the safer Sun Ra stuff. I love the Chicago period, the Lanquidity-Sleeping Beauty era, The Sun Ra Quartet stuff from around that time, and the stuff from the late 80s right before Ra departed the earth. I find the Afro Futurism stuff and high concept material only slightly amusing and easily tire of Ra's super spacey synth stuff. I guess I'm a bop weenie.

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    Thanks for sharing this fascinating piece of writing.

    1957. Monk, playing live with Coltrane. Utterly astonishing:



    Even amongst Monk's long history of angular, absract, compositions, is there anything quite as ambitious & complex as this? As for Trane's solo - it's extraordinary, like an extended snapshot of the immense road he will have travelled over the next 5 years.

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    That is just extraordinary.
    Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!

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    Fantastic song by Monk. Thanks for sharing that video. Here is the song "Star Time" by Sun Ra that is mentioned in the thread:



    The two sax solos start just short of a minute in and at about 2'40''.

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    Had Gilmore chosen to persue a career away from Sonny, I think he'd be considered among the greats by a much larger group of jazz fans. I like that he stayed doing what he was doing personally, but he gave up a lot to follow his muse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dt2 View Post
    Had Gilmore chosen to persue a career away from Sonny, I think he'd be considered among the greats by a much larger group of jazz fans. I like that he stayed doing what he was doing personally, but he gave up a lot to follow his muse.
    "Sun Ra was more harmonically stretched out than Mingus or Monk." - John Gilmore


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    Sun Ra is not my favorite band leader in jazz. I think I like Coltrane and Coleman better. But it is way more fun being a Sun Ra fan than a Coltrane or a Coleman fan.

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