As has been discussed here previously the shot is 99.99% effective against death or serious illness needing hospitalization, those are the numbers that should be of most interest I think.Originally Posted by Digital_Man
As has been discussed here previously the shot is 99.99% effective against death or serious illness needing hospitalization, those are the numbers that should be of most interest I think.
No side effects for me after the first shot except for a weird copper smell the first day and some arm soreness for a few days. Next shot on 5/3.
Can you point me to an article online that proves this? No offense but just because people say it on here doesn't mean it's entirely accurate.
Edit: Ok, I just read online maybe a little over 70 percent effective in the US. Show me a scientific journal where it says 99 percent effective and I'll believe it. Also, preventing death and serious illness is what a vaccine is supposed to do so that does't mean much to me.
We're just waiting for the hammer to fall again, here in Ontario. It sounds like there will more restrictions coming down today as cases continue to rise. I was watching the modelling report on the news and the doctor making the presentation said something interesting that I hadn't considered. One of the big concerns here right now are the number of people in ICU with Covid-related issues. The number is increasing exponentially each day. The doctor said that aside from the growing number of cases, one of the causes of the ICU overload is that there was not enough time between the 2nd and 3rd waves for the ICUs to empty out. So when the 3rd wave hit, ICU beds were already in a deficit.
His recommendation seems to be a much longer stay-at-home order to not only reduce the amount of transmission, but give ICU units a chance to clear out existing patients. Just lowering the number of cases, on it's own, isn't enough.
That's not what Barry said. It's not 99% effective to not get Covid, it's 99% effective that if you do get Covid, you won't end up in the hospital.
You just agreed with Barry and didn't agree with him in the same sentence. Not ending up in the hospital and/or dying doesn't mean anything to you?
Last edited by ForeverAutumn; 04-16-2021 at 02:00 PM.
American Medical Association article article
While J&J’s vaccine has 66.3% effectiveness overall and 74.4% effectiveness in the United States, it has “100% efficacy against hospitalization and death from the virus,” said Dr. Irons. “That's really what we have to focus on.”
She noted that White House Chief Medical Adviser Anthony Fauci, MD, among other top experts are “saying is that it’s really important to focus on the severe end of the spectrum, preventing hospitalization and death.”
“No hospitalizations occurred in the vaccine group 28 days or more after vaccination as compared to 16 in the placebo group,” said Dr. Fryhofer. “There were also no COVID-associated deaths among those who were vaccinated. That’s pretty powerful.”
https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-...ohnson-vaccine
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Of course it does. Again, I was referring to his statement not death or getting ill itself. I said that it doesn't mean much because that is what a vaccine is supposed to do. To me it's like saying your car will go faster than a bicycle. No kidding that's what a car is supposed to do. Anyway, none of that matters now anyway now that you cleared it up for me. Thanks. I apologize if I seem dense about it and I admit I didn't follow this thread very well. I just mainly jumped in to mention my situation about not being able to find a vaccine in my area.
Last edited by Digital_Man; 04-16-2021 at 05:46 PM.
To summarize the article published yesterday and appearing in my prior post: 75 million fully vaccinated (Pfizer, J&J, Moderna, two weeks after second shot), total people diagnosed with Covid was 5800 (0.008%), 400 were hospitalized, 74 died (1.3% of 5800), that means one in a million has gotten sick and died, or the vaccines are 99.99% effective against death, pretty amazing really.
Last edited by BarryLI; 04-16-2021 at 04:33 PM.
Thank you.
Sorry. Sometimes I take things too literally. I hope you're able to find a vaccine soon. I understand the frustration of having to wait your turn while watching other people get vaccinated.
It’s getting scary again around here. (Western Washington). We dropped back to Phase 2 as infections rise. Mostly 20-30+ somethings. I was in the Albertsons grocery store yesterday an all the construction workers installing a Starbucks kiosk were unmasked....standing within inches or each other. No masks in their pockets or nearby work surfaces...... surrounded by 65+ yo customers checking out. Now that I think about it, I should have taken a photo for social media.....both 30-somethings under the Starbucks logo.....
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One thing I haven't seen too much of is...how well does the vaccine protect against the so called 'long hauler' covid symptoms? I understand hospitalizations and deaths are biggest worry, but some of those stories about feeling the effects for more than half a year after infection freak me out. If I do catch covid after getting the vaccine, how likely is it to be just a mild infection vs something long term like that?
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There have been reports that the vaccine reduces the long-haul symptoms for people that have previously had Covid. My long-hauler friend is supposed to get vaccinated next week. I hope it helps him!
Yup and additional restrictions, including Police having the power to stop and question you if you're outside of your house. Personally, I think that's taking things a little too far.
I didn't know that. That does sound extreme.
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It is extreme, it's like martial law...won't be enforceable. I'm waiting to get pulled over, "just going to pick up some weed officer"
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On another note...with all the negativity regarding the Astra Zeneca vaccine and the on going efforts to convince people that the positives out weigh the negatives, Global News last night night did a feature on a woman in the UK, who was one of the one in a million that got blood clots attributed to the AZ vaccine. They went to great lengths to emphasize how awful it was and what a bad choice she had made. I find this kind of tabloid journalism totally unacceptable in our current situation.
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Millions of women risk blood clots every day by taking birth control pills. Many of them don't care about the risk or are never educated about the risk. Birth Control pills are a much greater risk than the few dozen blood clots linked to Covid vaccines. Nobody seems to care.
Or the LCBO...since it's an essential service.
Hubby and I went to Costco tonight. We were worried that it would be lined up. No line and it was the emptiest I've ever seen it. It was downright pleasant.
Wow. This is pretty interesting. I think it's too small a sample to be statistically valid, but interesting conclusions nonetheless.
Those with poor oral hygiene tend to experience more severe COVID-19 symptoms, study finds
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...inds-1.5378481
Normally I'd agree with it being too far, but these are extreme times, and too many people ignore the rules, it seems. When I was still going in to work, we were issued a paper statement saying that we were essential workers and were allowed to be out on the street, in transit to work. I never had to use it, but I would not have been offended if pulled over and asked what I was doing. I understand it probably seems a step too far for some, but to me, whatever it takes to get those numbers down, and hospital ICU units cleared, is the prime objective, here.
Stricter measures like this should have been employed a long time ago, and then we wouldn't be in this situation. IMO.
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Last edited by boilk; 04-17-2021 at 05:55 AM.
That is a bit surprising to hear. Well Dave, hopefully you'll be pleased to know that at CBC, all the doctors and experts consulted, continue to say that the right vaccine to get, is the one that's offered and available.
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