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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac
    These people are heroes.
    That, they most definitely are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    In Sweden the authorities are hesitating recommending masks, because it challenges the idea of equality !

    https://www.expressen.se/tv/nyheter/...-om-jamlikhet/
    What is the reasoning behind this ? (Sorry, the automatic online translation doesn't work well enough to help me understand the content in swedish.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interstellar View Post
    What is the reasoning behind this ? (Sorry, the automatic online translation doesn't work well enough to help me understand the content in swedish.)
    It is a good question.
    But the reasoning is along the line "if not everybody can have it, nobody should".

    Maybe someone from Sweden can explain it better?

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    Meanwhile, as Toronto prepares to go into another lockdown, people are ignoring all government warnings and pleas from over-worked health care workers, as shopping malls are absolutely packed with people either, a) panic buying, or b) looking for week-early Black Friday deals. Perhaps there really is no hope for humanity.

    I think that small-business owners here have a pretty good case, when they complain that, despite rigidly following all Covid safety protocols in their stores, they are forced to shutdown, whilst Wal-Marts and shopping malls can remain open. There are other places to buy essentials.

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    It is a good question.
    But the reasoning is along the line "if not everybody can have it, nobody should".

    Maybe someone from Sweden can explain it better?
    Something like that I guess, and involving the cost of masks for low income groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    These people are heroes.
    A cousin on my stepmom's side is an OB in the Denver area and just completed a run of 30 consecutive days on. I can't even imagine.
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    ^^ And add to that the emotional toll of watching their patients die left and right.
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    My Mom crushed her finger in a door this morning. It was pretty bad so she called me to pick her up and take her to the hospital because she didn't want to take an ambulance out of service that could be used for someone more serious. My mom is mid-eighties and uses a walker. I escorted her into the front door of emergency where a security guard told me that I couldn't go any further, which I knew, I just wanted to be sure that I was handing her off to someone. Even though it wasn't serious or life threatening, it was hard to leave her there and walk away (normally I would have stayed with her). I can't imagine how difficult it must be for people to have seriously ill relatives in the hospital and not be allowed to see them. Brutal.


    Quote Originally Posted by boilk View Post
    Meanwhile, as Toronto prepares to go into another lockdown, people are ignoring all government warnings and pleas from over-worked health care workers, as shopping malls are absolutely packed with people either, a) panic buying, or b) looking for week-early Black Friday deals. Perhaps there really is no hope for humanity.
    Best Buy has a bluetooth speaker on sale that I was going to place an order for. On the way home from dropping my Mom off, I was passing the Best Buy near Wilson and Dufferin, so I decided to pop in and pick it up. I was shocked at how busy the store was. People were just walking in, there was no controlling the number of people in the store and it was packed. I grabbed the speaker and got the hell out of there. If I'd known it was going to be so busy, I wouldn't have gone in.

    On the other end of the spectrum, yesterday, I went to Cosmo Music in Richmond Hill. They were doing things right. We waited in line for 15 minutes to get in. There was a Security Guard controlling how many people could go in. Two people out, two people in. The place was following the rules and the store looked empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boilk
    shopping malls are absolutely packed with people either, a) panic buying, or b) looking for week-early Black Friday deals. Perhaps there really is no hope for humanity.
    At the best of times I don't like shopping. I certainly don't want to risk catching the virus in exchange for a trip to capitalist hell. No fun for this guy, who 'wasn't born to follow.'

    (I already know the stores will have no toilet paper, as has been the case for two months or more. So even shopping for necessities is a burden. Thanks a lot to "the only guy that can fix this.")

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    We have three packs of Costco toilet paper. One pack is about the size and weight of a hay bale (90 rolls ea). So though my wife frets and worries, I figure it is about a three month supply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn View Post
    The fact that masks are mandatory and we have red-zones and lockdowns, does make us different. The tight controls that have been put in place across the country have kept our numbers down. We are not perfect and we have our own set of idiots not following the rules and protesting masks and other protective measures. But all I have to do is look at this site, to see how well Canada is doing overall. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Back in the Spring we were #12 on this list. Now we're #31. Things could be so much worse.

    I'm proud of the job that Canada is doing to keep Canadians safe.
    I'm a proud Canadian too. It's not the lockdowns and red zones that I'm pointing out as the problem. I was referring to a huge, unprecedented heightened rate of transmission that is exponentially higher than the first wave. We are at a higher risk threshold right now that other countries have been experiencing for a longer time. Your right, though, things could be much worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo
    We have three packs of Costco toilet paper. One pack is about the size and weight of a hay bale (90 rolls ea). So though my wife frets and worries, I figure it is about a three month supply.
    That's where we get ours, and they've been out every time I've been there in the last couple months. Our Costco only sells them 30 rolls per pack. I don't know what that says about our respective states. Supermarket paper goods aisles are empty, too. Our Costco also has thus far failed to have a sale price (or availability) on any whisky I like for the holidaze (i.e., auld Scotch), and has none of the usual holiday blend coffee. It's as though Christmas, wee drams, and bathroom visits have all been cancelled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spellbound View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    We have three packs of Costco toilet paper. One pack is about the size and weight of a hay bale (90 rolls ea). So though my wife frets and worries, I figure it is about a three month supply.
    That's where we get ours, and they've been out every time I've been there in the last couple months. Our Costco only sells them 30 rolls per pack. I don't know what that says about our respective states. Supermarket paper goods aisles are empty, too. Our Costco also has thus far failed to have a sale price (or availability) on any whisky I like for the holidaze (i.e., auld Scotch), and has none of the usual holiday blend coffee. It's as though Christmas, wee drams, and bathroom visits have all been cancelled.
    My dad bought a pack of Costco TP a couple of months ago. It turned out to be ultra-thin, like industrial grade paper. Most likely, it WAS industrial, of which there's been a surplus with many businesses shut down. He wound up returning it.
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    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ord-university

    This news looks to be potentially game-changing. The vaccine is operational at standard fridge temperatures so worldwide transportable / usable, and is around 10% of the price per dose of the others announced so far,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunlight Caller View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ord-university

    This news looks to be potentially game-changing. The vaccine is operational at standard fridge temperatures so worldwide transportable / usable, and is around 10% of the price per dose of the others announced so far,.
    They're also waiting for numbers to come in from the US trial. So, we'll have to see where the numbers move from here. The conventional wisdom is that this is the product that will be used by most of the world.
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    What causes that shortage of toilet paper in US? Hoarding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcrimso View Post
    What causes that shortage of toilet paper in US? Hoarding?
    Eating large quantities of baked beans and sauerkraut while in lockdown.
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    What causes that shortage of toilet paper in US? Hoarding?
    We shit alot when under stress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcrimso View Post
    What causes that shortage of toilet paper in US? Hoarding?
    See post #3785 above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulrus View Post
    See post #3785 above.
    So every house in America is currently full of toilet paper!
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    ^^ We're full of shit. That has to go somewhere some time.
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    I went through our local Wal-Hell last week and the toilet paper aisle looked almost as bad as it did in March.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcrimso View Post
    What causes that shortage of toilet paper in US? Hoarding?
    An attempt at a serious answer: It's two things, hoarding being only one. The other is that in normal times most people do much of their "business" at work or school or other places that aren't home. And those places' restrooms use "industrial" toilet-paper dispensers (large rolls with special fittings meant to prevent tampering). These rolls don't fit home TP fixtures.

    Suddenly everyone is home most of the time, and demand for home-type TP skyrockets. Production of home TP -- which involves entirely different manufacturing and distribution processes, even different factories -- lags behind demand.

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    I don't understand the hoarding. Even under lockdown, supermarkets are open and the supply chain is working. Back in March it was sometimes a little hard to find staples like bread and eggs, because people were hoarding them. But two weeks later when all the crazy people had run out room in their fridges to store 20 loaves of bread and a gross of eggs, the stores restocked and the rest of us could shop. Slowly, everything became available again. You would think that people would have learned from that experience. Just buy what you need and there will be plenty to go around!

    Quote Originally Posted by rdclark
    An attempt at a serious answer: It's two things, hoarding being only one. The other is that in normal times most people do much of their "business" at work or school or other places that aren't home.
    I've learned over the last eight months how much we do away from home. Aside from going through more toilet paper, we are running our dishwasher every two days. We used to run it only once or twice a week because we ate breakfast and lunch at work and we ate out most weekends. So we go through a lot more dishwasher tabs and dish detergent. We also have a lot more garbage and recycling at the curb each week.

    To offset that, we do a lot less laundry because we don't need clean work clothes. I've only put 3,000 KM (1864 miles) on my car since March and instead of filling my gas tank weekly, I fill it once a month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick L. View Post
    We shit alot when under stress.
    I SHIT MYSELF WHEN UNDER STRESS
    I SHIT MYSELF WHEN UNDER STRESS
    I SHIT MYSELF WHEN UNDER STRESS
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