Good point. Enough with the excessive cynicism!
Well, as I said back in 2007, more power to them and I hope they and the fans enjoy it. Also like 2007, I won't be going. That wouldn't change even if they were doing a 5 man reunion (though in that case I might want to at least see some you YouTube videos or possibly get the DVD/Blue Ray/live recording).
I think it's great though that they feel they are up to this, especially Collins. I think it's great for the people that want to see this. Not for me though.
The later Genesis is not my thing at all but I wish them luck. It would have been wonderful to make it a larger Genesis "family affair" for the last run with Peter, Steve, and even Ant participating in a full retrospective. Throw in Chester and Bill on dueling drum sets. Alas I guess that was always a pipe dream. Maybe there will be some surprise guests. Would be a fitting idea for a final show anyway.
Welcome back my friend.
At this point, I don't know if I'd even want to see a full band reunion with past and present members. Too much water under the dam I guess.
But it would be nice if former members could stop by and perform a song or two, even if it's one of them at a show coming on stage.
I think Hackett is so busy with his own tour, it's unlikely their paths will cross, and I think he may feel slighted that none of them have ever attended one of his shows.(that I know of).
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I'm quite skeptical myself but you have a definite point here. The 2007 far exceeded the expectations I had at the time. They did not suck nearly as much as everyone thought they would and Phil permanently damaged his back by playing drums to the standards that were required for Genesis, which is saying something of his and the band's implication.
So yes, one can have reasonable doubts considering Phil has to sit down during the whole of a gig, can't play drums and reportedly doesn't sing all that well. But it's absolutely clear that these guys do not have a habit of playing badly and not caring.
So the question is: can we trust their judgement on this? A wait and see policy is definitely warranted.
I also have very interest in this but am glad it is happening. For each of us that sit this out, there probably are dozens/hundreds who will stand in line to buy the first tickets.
I find the choice of an all Stadium tour for a band that has been defunct for 13 years to be odd, I mean 20,000 seat concert halls aren't big enough? I'm not sure they'd fill those let alone a Stadium.
^It is not an 'all-stadium tour', it's an arena tour! I'm not sure how you can miss that it's an arena tour given the names of these venues!
Not a great fan of their later work, but this tour isn't for someone like me anyway. Hope it goes well for them though.
If we wait and see it'll be already too late to get tickets.A wait and see policy is definitely warranted.
I'd definitely love to see some footage as an indicator of what this might sound like, but I don't it's likely we're going to get anything like that before tickets go on sale (or before the tour actually starts), so how do we know what we're shelling out for?
I think people tend to overlook how difficult and much more complicated it would be to include those others (I don't mean you specifically, Buddhabreath, I'm just referring to general comments I see here and elsewhere). The three-man lineup, whether people like their music or not, is a proper functioning unit that understands each other, works well together and has three personalities that mesh easily. And they won't be required - at 70 - to relearn ancient material and operate in a less cozy band dynamic by involving the others. There are a ton of factors to consider - it isn't as simple as tacking on another former member like PG - from 45 years ago, with his own opinions on how every aspect of the tour should function. And if he's not there, Hackett's not there either, as timeline-wise they would still have to stick to the 70s, but without PG (no way would Collins and Rutherford want that). Ant hasn't played live for an audience in 50 years. Chester allegedly had a falling out with Phil. Bill is retired and recently declined an invitation to join Crimson for an encore, even though he was already at the show. At this stage of their career and their lives, I don't think the trio would opt for a tour that is more work and less fun for them.
I don't know if you only mean his Genesis revisited shows, but Banks has certainly attended Hackett solo shows in the past, and PG & MR joined him onstage once. Not sure if Collins has ever attended one.
My take on it is the same as it was in 2007: I love the guys, but it's not for me. However if it makes people happy, more power to everyone involved - it doesn't negatively affect my life in any way. I've seen them live - I'm happy to give up my seat to let a newer or younger fan get their chance. And if there's a live release of some kind, I'll buy it. I think that's a pretty fair deal.
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I won't be one to complain about them doing this tour and I also don't think it's a cash grab necessarily. I think it's a chance for life-long friends to tour again, and for Phil to spend some more professional time with his son on drums. That's all cool. It's not a tour I'd be interested in seeing based what tickets will likely cost.
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Pretty cool ….. wedding comment made me chuckle. It will be interesting to see if there are any US dates forthcoming.
Tony says they are going to be doing "new old material." I take that to mean pre-pop Genesis deep cuts, in other words.
Brian Dennehy: "I'm now 80 and I'm just another actor and that's fine with me. I've had a hell of a ride," ... "I have a nice house. I haven't got a palace, a mansion, but a pretty nice, comfortable home. I've raised a bunch of kids and sent them all to school, and they're all doing well. All the people that are close to me are reasonably healthy and happy. Listen, that's as much as anybody can hope for in life."
Great insight and comments, thank you.
I was referring to Steve's Genesis Revisited shows, right from the first one and album release to the present.
Both Mike and Tony have been less than supportive and in interviews from both of them, they aren't mean when speaking of Steve's performing Genesis material, but their responses have been rather cold and distant.
I don't have any direct quotes I can reference, but I know I've read them in interviews.
I doubt I would go to a show even if they become available. I have come to the point where if we go to a concert, we prefer a small intimate venue, like the Capitol Theater in Clearwater, Florida where we've seen Steve on his Wolflight tour and Jon Anderson last year.
But if they sound good and Phil is in good singing voice with energy, I'd be more than happy to buy a DVD. I still enjoy Live in Rome, and we were at their reunion show in Pontiac, Michigan.
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People, in my view, can express any opinion about the tour whether or not you agree with them. For example, I don't take offence to the cash grab accusation, I just don't agree with it. If there are indeed deep cuts I'd buy a DVD but wouldn't again sit through a show with music I generally don't like and would cost a lot to see..
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Read it again. He didn't say that there were songs they couldn't do before with Chester.
He said because Nic sounds like "early Phil", then "you can play some of the songs that you haven't played with Phil as the drummer for a long time."
Chester is a great drummer, but he doesn't sound like Phil Collins. He's got his own style.
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