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    If Def Leppard kept their drummer on after he lost an arm, what TF is the problem with Aerosmith?
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    Jeez, now there's footage online of him showing up to rehearsal and being turned away by hired security. It's all very tabloid-ish and ugly. Especially after watching so much about Rush these past two weeks and seeing nothing but class and the best of friends right to the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3LockBox View Post
    But by the same token, they're no different than the Stones in the "sell out/farm out" department. I stopped giving a shit a about them long before I jumped off the Aerosmith band wagon.
    The Stones never went down the 'song doctor' route.

    I've no use for the MTV 80s/90s Aerosmith I'm afraid. Especially not that Desmond Child/Diane Warren stuff.

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    Perry often complained about the song doctor thing but he could never pry Tyler or the band's management away from the practice. I think the closest the Stones ever had to anyone outside was either some arranging of keys or horns.
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    So many of those later ballads of theirs are generic IMHO. And even the non-ballads like '...Elevator' you have that horribly obnoxious 80s 'gang chorus' business.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    Aerosmith's peak was only a few albums and while they packed them in while on the road, they're well past their sell date. Greatest American band - that's a tossup.
    They were great...for a few years. Not really enough to be in the running for 'greatest American band' IMHO, although they had a lot of imitators- you can draw a line from them to a certain strand of hair metal.

    I lean towards The Beach Boys and The Byrds.

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    Liked the first four albums. Then stopped listening. Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spacefreak View Post
    "Rock In A Hard Place", "Done With Mirrors" and "Permanent Vacation" are solid hard rock albums. Better than "Pump" to my ears. Their real bad ones are "Draw The Line", this laughable live thing and everything post 1989.
    Of those 3 I probably like "Permanent Vacation" the best, but the other two are decent efforts.

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    my favorite Aerosmith album is Greatest Hits

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    Rocks is my favorite Aerosmith album. Then I like Get Your Wings. Then Toys In The Attic.

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    They stunk up the joint last night - a terrible mix with Tyler struggling throughout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spellbound View Post
    I saw them in 1975, when they put on a good show. They have since evolved into a bickering bag of dicks. If a band can't get along with their lifetime drummer, what good are they?
    They could do unplugged/acoustic without the need for a drummer...

    Never was an Aero-fan. I went to a few shows in 2003 for the Aero-KISS tour. KISS went on first. I left after KISS' set. One show I saw a couple of Aero songs while I was walking from the backstage area to the arena exits. That's all I needed.

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    It's weird, I don't really care about the band, or for them much. But this has apparently dug itself into my brain, because I had a dream last night that Aerosmith were playing a street carnival and there were maybe 6 people standing there in front of the stage, that was only about 1-foot high. Then my friend Keith, who I haven't seen in 20 years, ran up to them and yelled, "Free Joey!" and gave them the finger and walked away.

    Thanks, PE!

    I saw them on the Permanent Vacation tour, but I was more interested in going to hear Dokken, who opened for them. If I'm remembering correctly, Kramer had some kind of synth sticks where he walked around the stage with a pair of wired sticks and beat rhythms on their elaborate stage and everything he could reach. Sounded like a Casio keyboard exploding from what I remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post

    Get Your Wings, Toys in the Attic, and Rocks were as solid hard rock albums as you could get, very little filler and tons of attitude. I prefer Rocks because it's just relentlessly HARD until the power ballad at the end. Toys in the Attic set the formula but Rocks perfected it.
    Yup! Those were great hard rock albums. Rocks is a stone cold classic in my book!

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    Saw them with Dokken in '88. Not very memorable. I remember Dream On and Hangman's Jury. For some reason I really dug HJ as it was a bit different for them but it doesn't really hold up these days.

    Should have also heard them when the Hard Rock Cafe opened up here. They had a tent set up next to the cafe in an open lot (that later became the parking lot for the hotel) but they couldn't get the power to work. We were hanging at a cafe across the street that had a patio and somehow the manager liked us so he gave us a couple platters of clams that were awesome.

    They eventually played but we had bolted. Could hear them from my friends apartment a couple miles away but I didn't pay attention.

    I only really owned the original Greatest Hits, which was a good compilation. I don't really know that older "important" era very well. Don't know if I care enough to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    They stunk up the joint last night - a terrible mix with Tyler struggling throughout.
    Yup, that was pretty bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frinspar View Post
    It's weird, I don't really care about the band, or for them much. But this has apparently dug itself into my brain, because I had a dream last night that Aerosmith were playing a street carnival and there were maybe 6 people standing there in front of the stage, that was only about 1-foot high. Then my friend Keith, who I haven't seen in 20 years, ran up to them and yelled, "Free Joey!" and gave them the finger and walked away.

    Thanks, PE!

    I saw them on the Permanent Vacation tour, but I was more interested in going to hear Dokken, who opened for them. If I'm remembering correctly, Kramer had some kind of synth sticks where he walked around the stage with a pair of wired sticks and beat rhythms on their elaborate stage and everything he could reach. Sounded like a Casio keyboard exploding from what I remember.
    I seem to remember seeing Kramer do that too on the "Pump" tour.

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    Now the whole world knows Kramer had to audition just to be in their shitty band. After their recent performance he should sue for defamation, lol.
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    I watched about 15 seconds from the other night on YouTube. That's all it took.

    Wow, just wow.
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    I just watched Dream on with H.E.R. on Youtube. Everybody is ragging it, but I didn't think it was that bad. Tyler sang OK, and while the duet maybe wasn't perfect, I thought it was servicable, given the amount of rehearsal time they likely had. What really surprised me, though, was how poorly Perry played. He was truly ragged, I have no idea what's up with that. Maybe there were sound issues or something.

    As far as Kramer, it appears he was on stage with them for the award portion of the program. Everybody is ragging the band for how they're treating him, but there may be two sides to the story. Shoulder injuries are tricky and if the entire band feels he's not up to it, maybe Joey isn't being totally realistic with himself about it. This is a pretty drastic measure the band took, I doubt they did it lightly. I sense it will all get resolved in some way, as much anger as Joey has about it, he was there, and I think he'll be back at some point.

    I was vaguely considering going to see Aerosmith in Vegas on their residency when I'm back in April for NAB. People I know who saw the first leg said it was awesome.

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    He was truly ragged, I have no idea what's up with that.
    According to some folks over on Hoffman, this has been the case for a number of years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plasmatopia View Post
    Now the whole world knows Kramer had to audition just to be in their shitty band. After their recent performance he should sue for defamation, lol.
    Rather like they should send the whole band into audition, starting with the two primadonnas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Rather like they should send the whole band into audition, starting with the two primadonnas.
    I like that idea.
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    Or maybe just send them to senior housing. They can take the bus to the casino now and then to relive their days of playing the casino circuit.
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    At this stage, they're laughing all the way to the bank as they're still earning the big dollars!

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    Maybe they should just turn down Joe's amp and have Steve Hunter playing behind the amps?
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