Avant-prog binge 2020

[Kcrimso]

By popular demand: new thread for new year!

Anyone seen Theo Ceccaldi live with his brother playing as a duo? Any good? I am considering seeing one of their gigs in France this spring.

[Zappathustra]

Dustman Dilemma - On Second Thought Surprisingly, I heard of this band just yesterday night, on Spacefreak's suggestion. Is it possible that this excellent, French band hasn't been discussed in other threads? I don't have any recollection.

This is their second LP (2018) and it sounds like a terrific blend of Canterbury music (or similar stuff like the Muffins) and Van Der Graaf Generator, with lot of exotic and experimental elements. Sax and clarinet play a prominent role. Great, essential stuff for fans of this kind of music (on the jazzier side of avant/prog)

Bandcamp link here, although I didn't see any "buy" option https://thedustmandilemma.bandcamp.c...second-thought

First album, released in 2012, is also great.

[NogbadTheBad]

I'm in, listening to Theo Ceccaldi Freaks right now, got a bit of an Art Zoyd vibe going on at the moment.

[Udi Koomran]

Rhun offshoot - highly recommended


https://theorvalians.bandcamp.com/releases

[Zappathustra]

Rhun offshoot - highly recommended


https://theorvalians.bandcamp.com/releases

Yes, this is great. I don't know why it didn't get any essential discussion here.

[Udi Koomran]

There is something special about this album in that it also draws some influence from heavy rock/ proto prog
Making it raw and biting

[TCC]

np:
Bubblemath - Edit Peptide.

A few minutes ago:
October Equus - Live At R.I.O. Festival 2014.

Over the weekend:
- Sales de Baño: Estragulando el Mundo + Geometía del Vínculo.
- Nicotina es Primavera: Perder Planetas.
- Fire! Orchestra - Arrival + Enter.
- Miriodor - Avanti!.
- Brown vs Brown - Odds and Unevens.

[thedunno]

Listening to 'Frank Zappa - Uncle Meat' a lot lately. At times very Rio-ish, altough that term had not been invented for quite a few years.

[Kcrimso]

Over the weekend:

PoiL : L'ire des papes (2008)
Lost Crowns : Every Night Something Happens (2019)
Henry Cow : In Praise of Learning (1975)
Zamla Mammaz Manna : Schlagerns Mystik / För Äldre Nybegynnare (1978)
Dustman Dilemma: On Second Thought (2018) (Is this avant-prog? Some say so.)

[Scrotum Scissor]

'Frank Zappa - Uncle Meat' a lot lately. At times very Rio-ish

Together with Trout Mask and SM's Volume Two a template for much early RIO, indeed. If you add MacBeth by the Third Ear Band then you're almost at home. Still, all the original Rock-In-Opposition artists had their own deal to bring forth. As much a case of 'mentality' as of sound, I'd say.

[Kcrimso]

What are you thoughts about Schlagerns Mystik / För Äldre Nybegynnare (1978) by Zamla Mammaz Manna? 17 minute epic "Ödet" is brilliant but I am not so sure about other material.

[Scrotum Scissor]

^ Big fan of that one here. GREAT (mostly all-free) improvisations on the Nybegynnare, some truly memorable melodies on Schlagern. Remember, the latter was intended as an exploration into realms of Swedish traditional/historical "pop" as founded in various folk- and dance-forms of music thought to stem as far back as the late 1700s and C.M. Bellman - i.e. the so-called Swedish Ballad Tradition. These are fun, goofy, silly tunes of fine spirit and craft. As for "Ödet", I always felt that the piece outlasts its welcome just a bit.

Of course, their real masterwork was the followup, Familjesprickor/Family Cracks - arguably one of the top-10 Swedish albums of all time (IMHO).

[Zappathustra]

I think it is an overlooked masterpiece. I love it. I love the funny voices. I love the music.

This is the only band for me that took up Zappa's spirit to even further extremes. Lars is a genius. I have been scratching the surface of his huge solo discography recently, and I just can't believe the amount of great music he created.

[Kcrimso]

Of course, their real masterwork was the followup, Familjesprickor/Family Cracks - arguably one of the top-10 Swedish albums of all time (IMHO).

That is also my favourite one. Brilliant album!

[Kcrimso]

I think it is an overlooked masterpiece. I love it. I love the funny voices. I love the music.

This is the only band for me that took up Zappa's spirit to even further extremes. Lars is a genius. I have been scratching the surface of his huge solo discography recently, and I just can't believe the amount of great music he created.

What would you recommend from Hollmer's solo catalogue? I have heard some but it was too "folky" for me.

[Scrotum Scissor]

^ Vendeltid, Andetag and Sola. If you enjoy the Von Zamla releases, these are a must.

Frith namechecked Hollmer one of the "[…] few genuinely genius" musicians he himself had met/known. I for one believe him. Lars H. was all ears, heart and head - in that order. Completely one of a kind.

[Kcrimso]

^ Vendeltid, Andetag and Sola. If you enjoy the Von Zamla releases, these are a must.

Frith namechecked Hollmer one of the "[…] few genuinely genius" musicians he himself had met/known. I for one believe him. Lars H. was all ears, heart and head - in that order. Completely one of a kind.

There is on Frith's Ragged Atlas (by band Cosa Brava) album even song called "For Lars Hollmer". (I love that album!)

[Kcrimso]

^ Vendeltid, Andetag and Sola. If you enjoy the Von Zamla releases, these are a must.

Frith namechecked Hollmer one of the "[…] few genuinely genius" musicians he himself had met/known. I for one believe him. Lars H. was all ears, heart and head - in that order. Completely one of a kind.

Oh and thanks for the recommendations! I will try to check those out.

[Zappathustra]

That is also my favourite one. Brilliant album!

An outstanding record. But I will give the edge to Klossa Knapitat. Sheer perfection, from start to finish.

[Zappathustra]

^ Vendeltid, Andetag and Sola. If you enjoy the Von Zamla releases, these are a must.

Frith namechecked Hollmer one of the "[…] few genuinely genius" musicians he himself had met/known. I for one believe him. Lars H. was all ears, heart and head - in that order. Completely one of a kind.

A friend of mine calls him "the party animal from Uppsala". He thinks he is the greatest musician who ever lived.

Is it true that he couldn't read or write music? I can't believe this.

[Steve F.]

What would you recommend from Hollmer's solo catalogue? I have heard some but it was too "folky" for me.

Door Floor Something Window, which is a band effort and is pretty great, often gets overlooked.

[Steve F.]

Is it true that he couldn't read or write music? I can't believe this.

I don't know one way or the other.

I did meet him a couple of times and was even treated to a short private concert (Lars, my wife and myself) in the Chickenhouse in 1999.

[Kcrimso]

A friend of mine calls him "the party animal from Uppsala". He thinks he is the greatest musician who ever lived.

Is it true that he couldn't read or write music? I can't believe this.

I believe have read that Fred Frith was stunned to learn that members of Samla Mammas Manna did not read music when they played for him on album Gravity.

[TCC]

Over the weekend:

PoiL : L'ire des papes (2008)
Lost Crowns : Every Night Something Happens (2019)
Henry Cow : In Praise of Learning (1975)
Zamla Mammaz Manna : Schlagerns Mystik / För Äldre Nybegynnare (1978)
Dustman Dilemma: On Second Thought (2018) (Is this avant-prog? Some say so.)

In my wishlist ... like it!.

[TCC]

Dustman Dilemma:
I had the chance to listen to their first album "First Trip to the Roaring Plains" and enjoyed it too!.

A question: found these 2 videos in YT; are they the same band?.

The Dustman Dilemma à L'Epicentre:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGamrR80JLA

Dustman Dilemma - Café des Images 2018.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq0WqeqVPJA


Thanks in advance!.