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    Avant-prog binge 2020

    By popular demand: new thread for new year!

    Anyone seen Theo Ceccaldi live with his brother playing as a duo? Any good? I am considering seeing one of their gigs in France this spring.
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    Dustman Dilemma - On Second Thought Surprisingly, I heard of this band just yesterday night, on Spacefreak's suggestion. Is it possible that this excellent, French band hasn't been discussed in other threads? I don't have any recollection.

    This is their second LP (2018) and it sounds like a terrific blend of Canterbury music (or similar stuff like the Muffins) and Van Der Graaf Generator, with lot of exotic and experimental elements. Sax and clarinet play a prominent role. Great, essential stuff for fans of this kind of music (on the jazzier side of avant/prog)

    Bandcamp link here, although I didn't see any "buy" option https://thedustmandilemma.bandcamp.c...second-thought

    First album, released in 2012, is also great.

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    I'm in, listening to Theo Ceccaldi Freaks right now, got a bit of an Art Zoyd vibe going on at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Udi Koomran View Post
    Rhun offshoot - highly recommended


    https://theorvalians.bandcamp.com/releases
    Yes, this is great. I don't know why it didn't get any essential discussion here.

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    There is something special about this album in that it also draws some influence from heavy rock/ proto prog
    Making it raw and biting

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    np:
    Bubblemath - Edit Peptide.

    A few minutes ago:
    October Equus - Live At R.I.O. Festival 2014.

    Over the weekend:
    - Sales de Baño: Estragulando el Mundo + Geometía del Vínculo.
    - Nicotina es Primavera: Perder Planetas.
    - Fire! Orchestra - Arrival + Enter.
    - Miriodor - Avanti!.
    - Brown vs Brown - Odds and Unevens.
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    Listening to 'Frank Zappa - Uncle Meat' a lot lately. At times very Rio-ish, altough that term had not been invented for quite a few years.

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    Over the weekend:

    PoiL : L'ire des papes (2008)
    Lost Crowns : Every Night Something Happens (2019)
    Henry Cow : In Praise of Learning (1975)
    Zamla Mammaz Manna : Schlagerns Mystik / För Äldre Nybegynnare (1978)
    Dustman Dilemma: On Second Thought (2018) (Is this avant-prog? Some say so.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedunno View Post
    'Frank Zappa - Uncle Meat' a lot lately. At times very Rio-ish
    Together with Trout Mask and SM's Volume Two a template for much early RIO, indeed. If you add MacBeth by the Third Ear Band then you're almost at home. Still, all the original Rock-In-Opposition artists had their own deal to bring forth. As much a case of 'mentality' as of sound, I'd say.
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    What are you thoughts about Schlagerns Mystik / För Äldre Nybegynnare (1978) by Zamla Mammaz Manna? 17 minute epic "Ödet" is brilliant but I am not so sure about other material.
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    ^ Big fan of that one here. GREAT (mostly all-free) improvisations on the Nybegynnare, some truly memorable melodies on Schlagern. Remember, the latter was intended as an exploration into realms of Swedish traditional/historical "pop" as founded in various folk- and dance-forms of music thought to stem as far back as the late 1700s and C.M. Bellman - i.e. the so-called Swedish Ballad Tradition. These are fun, goofy, silly tunes of fine spirit and craft. As for "Ödet", I always felt that the piece outlasts its welcome just a bit.

    Of course, their real masterwork was the followup, Familjesprickor/Family Cracks - arguably one of the top-10 Swedish albums of all time (IMHO).
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    I think it is an overlooked masterpiece. I love it. I love the funny voices. I love the music.

    This is the only band for me that took up Zappa's spirit to even further extremes. Lars is a genius. I have been scratching the surface of his huge solo discography recently, and I just can't believe the amount of great music he created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Of course, their real masterwork was the followup, Familjesprickor/Family Cracks - arguably one of the top-10 Swedish albums of all time (IMHO).
    That is also my favourite one. Brilliant album!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    I think it is an overlooked masterpiece. I love it. I love the funny voices. I love the music.

    This is the only band for me that took up Zappa's spirit to even further extremes. Lars is a genius. I have been scratching the surface of his huge solo discography recently, and I just can't believe the amount of great music he created.
    What would you recommend from Hollmer's solo catalogue? I have heard some but it was too "folky" for me.
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    ^ Vendeltid, Andetag and Sola. If you enjoy the Von Zamla releases, these are a must.

    Frith namechecked Hollmer one of the "[…] few genuinely genius" musicians he himself had met/known. I for one believe him. Lars H. was all ears, heart and head - in that order. Completely one of a kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    ^ Vendeltid, Andetag and Sola. If you enjoy the Von Zamla releases, these are a must.

    Frith namechecked Hollmer one of the "[…] few genuinely genius" musicians he himself had met/known. I for one believe him. Lars H. was all ears, heart and head - in that order. Completely one of a kind.
    There is on Frith's Ragged Atlas (by band Cosa Brava) album even song called "For Lars Hollmer". (I love that album!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    ^ Vendeltid, Andetag and Sola. If you enjoy the Von Zamla releases, these are a must.

    Frith namechecked Hollmer one of the "[…] few genuinely genius" musicians he himself had met/known. I for one believe him. Lars H. was all ears, heart and head - in that order. Completely one of a kind.
    Oh and thanks for the recommendations! I will try to check those out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcrimso View Post
    That is also my favourite one. Brilliant album!
    An outstanding record. But I will give the edge to Klossa Knapitat. Sheer perfection, from start to finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    ^ Vendeltid, Andetag and Sola. If you enjoy the Von Zamla releases, these are a must.

    Frith namechecked Hollmer one of the "[…] few genuinely genius" musicians he himself had met/known. I for one believe him. Lars H. was all ears, heart and head - in that order. Completely one of a kind.
    A friend of mine calls him "the party animal from Uppsala". He thinks he is the greatest musician who ever lived.

    Is it true that he couldn't read or write music? I can't believe this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcrimso View Post
    What would you recommend from Hollmer's solo catalogue? I have heard some but it was too "folky" for me.
    Door Floor Something Window, which is a band effort and is pretty great, often gets overlooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post

    Is it true that he couldn't read or write music? I can't believe this.
    I don't know one way or the other.

    I did meet him a couple of times and was even treated to a short private concert (Lars, my wife and myself) in the Chickenhouse in 1999.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    A friend of mine calls him "the party animal from Uppsala". He thinks he is the greatest musician who ever lived.

    Is it true that he couldn't read or write music? I can't believe this.
    I believe have read that Fred Frith was stunned to learn that members of Samla Mammas Manna did not read music when they played for him on album Gravity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcrimso View Post
    Over the weekend:

    PoiL : L'ire des papes (2008)
    Lost Crowns : Every Night Something Happens (2019)
    Henry Cow : In Praise of Learning (1975)
    Zamla Mammaz Manna : Schlagerns Mystik / För Äldre Nybegynnare (1978)
    Dustman Dilemma: On Second Thought (2018) (Is this avant-prog? Some say so.)
    In my wishlist ... like it!.
    Pura Vida!.

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    Dustman Dilemma:
    I had the chance to listen to their first album "First Trip to the Roaring Plains" and enjoyed it too!.

    A question: found these 2 videos in YT; are they the same band?.

    The Dustman Dilemma à L'Epicentre:
    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGamrR80JLA

    Dustman Dilemma - Café des Images 2018.
    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq0WqeqVPJA


    Thanks in advance!.
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