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    Quote Originally Posted by Firth View Post
    Why don’t you move on to the billions of BS websites that deal with politics and leave the people here that are interested in music?
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    Quote Originally Posted by taliesin View Post
    Or possibly sites that recognize humour?
    It seems that might well be advisable. Thanks.
    The combined fortunes of the world's 26 richest individuals reached $1.4 trillion last year — the same amount as the total wealth of the 3.8 billion poorest people.

    Buddhabreath's Rescued from Oblivion album from the 80's. The critics are raving (raving mad that is).
    Do you have what it take to survive I Can't Stand My Own Mind? Hint: smoke something strong first...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddhabreath View Post
    It seems that might well be advisable. Thanks.
    No it isn't. Your post was hilarious.

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    Over at Hoffman, they're celbrating the 50th anniversary of "Sugar Sugar". So at least PE has some standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    No it isn't. Your post was hilarious.
    Thanks! Glad some of you guys got the joke.
    The combined fortunes of the world's 26 richest individuals reached $1.4 trillion last year — the same amount as the total wealth of the 3.8 billion poorest people.

    Buddhabreath's Rescued from Oblivion album from the 80's. The critics are raving (raving mad that is).
    Do you have what it take to survive I Can't Stand My Own Mind? Hint: smoke something strong first...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddhabreath View Post
    Thanks! Glad some of you guys got the joke.
    Yeah, don’t worry about Firth, he’s not equipped.

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    And this thread is on the Main forum? There should be a category for BS.
    “[They] agreed that it was neither possible nor necessary to educate people who never questioned anything.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddhabreath View Post
    Clearly, Carl's playing deteriorated due to his new adherence to corporate capitalism and his utter rejection of social anarchism. Before that, when Palmer's main ideological focus was basically the strain of collectivist anarchism as propounded by Mikhail Bakunin, his drumming technique and energy had reached a peak closely paralleling the concept of the total abolition of both the state and private ownership of the means of production. IMHO of course and YMMV.
    Yes, but I'm not sure Bakunin was his main ideological source in the 70s. In his 1974 essay on on collective property, Palmer often quotes Charles Fourier's theory of utopian socialism. The influence of Fourier's sensualistic approach becomes quite clear on Love Beach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firth View Post
    And this thread is on the Main forum? There should be a category for BS.
    Yup, Asia threads only belong in the main forum if they have a serious tone to them.

    Also, if Culture Club had featured a kazoo-solo by Geoff Downes this would have warranted inclusion on the main forum, 'cause CC were very popular too. And that's the criteria for genuine music interest - who's involved and if they're well known - not what's actually emanating from a loudspeaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interstellar View Post
    Yes, but I'm not sure Bakunin was his main ideological source in the 70s. In his 1974 essay on on collective property, Palmer often quotes Charles Fourier's theory of utopian socialism. The influence of Fourier's sensualistic approach becomes quite clear on Love Beach.
    As students of socialist political movements amongst the progressive-rock-drumming class will recall, it was precisely this schism with the more orthodox left-drumming community that lead to Palmer's ideological dispute with Chris Cutler. This long-running argument was eventually proposed to be settled by the famous 48-hour Marxist-Leninist drum battle that took place on 9th-10th November 1980. The event ended indecisively when a bystander announced that Michael Foot had been elected leader of the Labour Party and Palmer fell off his drum stool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interstellar View Post
    Yes, but I'm not sure Bakunin was his main ideological source in the 70s. In his 1974 essay on on collective property, Palmer often quotes Charles Fourier's theory of utopian socialism. The influence of Fourier's sensualistic approach becomes quite clear on Love Beach.
    Absolutely, but surely this first manifested itself on Lick My Love Pump

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    Cutler/O'Dowd does have potential.
    Perhaps finding the happy medium is harder than we know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interstellar View Post
    Yes, but I'm not sure Bakunin was his main ideological source in the 70s. In his 1974 essay on on collective property, Palmer often quotes Charles Fourier's theory of utopian socialism. The influence of Fourier's sensualistic approach becomes quite clear on Love Beach.
    I feel I must chime in here. First, thank you for pointing out the 1974 essay as I was entirely unaware of it. In light of that, both the Fourier influence ("System of Harmony") becomes clear particularly in Palmer's stultifying use of the crash symbol and high-hat which was indeed in evidence in both the infamous 1980 drum battle referenced by Mascodagama as well as the unfortunate results as evidenced on Love Beach. In my defense however, I would like to point out that in the February 12, 1972 issue of the Morning Star, Palmer did reference Bakunin and the principle of federalism, free association and communal organization in the context of his abandonment of the American grip in favor of the French grip and subsequent adjustments of his fulcrum point to enable greater independence in the execution of his paradiddles.
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    The combined fortunes of the world's 26 richest individuals reached $1.4 trillion last year — the same amount as the total wealth of the 3.8 billion poorest people.

    Buddhabreath's Rescued from Oblivion album from the 80's. The critics are raving (raving mad that is).
    Do you have what it take to survive I Can't Stand My Own Mind? Hint: smoke something strong first...

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    The drummers control the means of reduction. That's what he's saying on Love Beach.
    Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!

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    Oh Christ, they've brought out the paradiddles.

    Game over.

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    I heard this in the grocery store yesterday.
    If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    I heard this in the grocery store yesterday.
    I think we can now close this thread.


    BTW I saw this tour, and was 16 years old at the time, if I recall. It was okay, but.....no clowns.

    I honestly expected more, even at that tender age---my listening habits at that time included YesSongs, Welcome Back My Friends, and even Crimson's USA, which was my first Crim album and the first Crim I heard. These guys saw the writing on the wall, I think......the zeitgeist had moved on, without them. By my definitions, this was a pop record, and it was, indeed, quite popular--Heat of the Moment was on radio often. But there are worse Prog Hero sell-out albums.
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    I have no problem with Asia's music not being prog. We have to recognize it for what it is, if you expect prog from Asia you're shopping down the wrong aisle of the record shop.
    They were billed as a supergroup because of the progressive lineage the members of the band brought to the band.
    Asia was basically Geoff Downe's idea to create radio friendly music with some great musicians on board.
    I happen to like Asia, not everything I listen to needs to be serious or have different time measures and deep thinking lyrics. It's fun sometimes to get in the car and just blast the audio system while the wind blows through your hair and you sing this easy to remember melody as loud as you can. Or turn up the radio and listen to Heat while working around the house.

    I think it was also an outlet for the musicians in Asia to just play some simple stuff and have fun without all the heavy stuff they were associated with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    I have no problem with Asia's music not being prog.
    Neither do most participants in this thread who dislike the band/song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Neither do most participants in this thread who dislike the band/song.
    well this thread has weaved back and forth, up and down between sarcasm, serious, humor, hate and love like a drunk chicken trying to cross the road on a Saturday night.
    So any response will fit in somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    So any response will fit in somewhere.
    That was the purpose in the first place, to see what would come up. I think it has gone well.

    I was betting that "thread closed" would already have appeared by now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    I was betting that "thread closed" would already have appeared by now
    why? for the most part it's been interesting and far less combative than any Yes or Genesis thread and most of those are up to a million posts by now. lol
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    If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    According to this guy, there aren't any good prog songs - ever

    https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/534174/
    Dude reads like he's a professional prick and proud of it.

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