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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    Are vinyl records worse for the environment?
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...stry-streaming
    Well, now that we know vinyl's brilliant ecological footprint is (we're not even counting the ink for the cardboard sleeves)....

    I'd like to see how the different plastics of and around the CDs are making as an envirnmental impact .... Not sure it's better.
    Maybe the day that CD definitely ousts the jewel cases and digipak trays in favour of cardboard, the (much smaller) actual plastic disc will account for less "matters" than vinyl, but not yet accounting for the actual engraved layer's excological footprint.
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    ^^But CDs can't be melted down to make new product.

    Not that many LPs are, either....

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    ^^ CDs have that metal substrate, into which the actual ones and zeros are imprinted. Mixing materials removes any possibility of recycling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by progmatist View Post
    ^^ CDs have that metal substrate, into which the actual ones and zeros are imprinted. Mixing materials removes any possibility of recycling.
    It's actually glued upon the back side of the label.... The label is much more fragile than the actual reading side (which can be repolished if scratched). Scratching the label will probably permanently damage the foil beneath it.

    The info metal foil & label can be stripped away from its plastic disc (I've seen it done), but impossible without damaging it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    The info metal foil & label can be stripped away from its plastic disc (I've seen it done)
    That process is called "ripping it to your hard drive."

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    Vinyl clearly has a greater affect on global warming.

    Told ya vinyl was warmer.
    Orange is the new stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    Vinyl clearly has a greater affect on global warming.
    Well since vinyl is made from dead dinosaurs, and the Earth was warmer during the Jurassic, maybe it's a cyclical thing?

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    I miss Vinyl, but mostly because of the artwork. If Cd's start selling less than downloads - that dont really sell at all, maybe I'll jump back in. I can never get back what I've thrown out. Wives suck sometimes...
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    Vinyl records can be melted and pressed into other vinyl records. At most, the paper labels would have to be punched out of the disc and discarded.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    It's actually glued upon the back side of the label.... The label is much more fragile than the actual reading side (which can be repolished if scratched). Scratching the label will probably permanently damage the foil beneath it.

    The info metal foil & label can be stripped away from its plastic disc (I've seen it done), but impossible without damaging it.
    For the purposes of recycling, having to strip the foil/label away from CDs would be way more expensive and time consuming than it's worth. In recycling plants, if someone wraps their blue barrel newspaper in a plastic or grocery bag, plant employees will simply throw it away. It isn't even worth their time to rip open the bag and dump the contents back on the belt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by progmatist View Post
    For the purposes of recycling, having to strip the foil/label away from CDs would be way more expensive and time consuming than it's worth. In recycling plants, if someone wraps their blue barrel newspaper in a plastic or grocery bag, plant employees will simply throw it away. It isn't even worth their time to rip open the bag and dump the contents back on the belt.
    Yeah, of course, there is an economic sensibilty even in recycling plants, at the cost of ecological concerns,

    Sadly even the capitalist idea of the merchendisation of wastes did some good, but usually stops the the total process of complete recycling. Yes, stripping away the foil & label from the slice of plastic is probably too long and complicated to be economically viable. But it can be done, I can think of a sanding/grinding process to do it. Who knows, maybe the metallic foil can be worth something.

    but as lmong as we're in a capitalist world , economics will always be >>>> Ecologic
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    Quote Originally Posted by progmatist View Post
    For the purposes of recycling, having to strip the foil/label away from CDs would be way more expensive and time consuming than it's worth. In recycling plants, if someone wraps their blue barrel newspaper in a plastic or grocery bag, plant employees will simply throw it away. It isn't even worth their time to rip open the bag and dump the contents back on the belt.
    I have heard that China, where most of our recyclables ended up, is no longer accepting recycling and the vast majority of our "blue barrel" recycling just ends up in the landfill now.

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    ^^^
    Correct - and rightly so.
    Which should be responsable and deal with our own garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    Vinyl clearly has a greater affect on global warming.

    Told ya vinyl was warmer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    I have heard that China, where most of our recyclables ended up, is no longer accepting recycling and the vast majority of our "blue barrel" recycling just ends up in the landfill now.
    It won't be long before Best Buy no longer accepts old electronics for recycling. The US is running out of 3rd world countries to take if off our hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by progmatist View Post
    It won't be long before Best Buy no longer accepts old electronics for recycling. The US is running out of 3rd world countries to take if off our hands.


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    Well, at least this puts an end to hack jokes about young people not knowing what a record player is.
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    Any estimates on illegal downloads?

    I'm guessing they are 10 times CDs & Vinyl together...
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    ^^ Streaming services like Pandora, Spotify, Netflix and Hulu have made illegal downloading superfluous. What kid is going to eat their valuable selfie space in their phone storage with a file they could just as easily stream at any time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by progmatist View Post
    ^^ Streaming services like Pandora, Spotify, Netflix and Hulu have made illegal downloading superfluous. What kid is going to eat their valuable selfie space in their phone storage with a file they could just as easily stream at any time?
    aren't most of these kids' pictures stored in clouds and stuff?

    But yeah, I can see their parents paying for streaming services as to avoid their kids getting caught illegaly downloading.
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    Big fire threatens vinyl record manufacturing
    https://pitchfork.com/news/devastati...record-supply/

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