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    Thanks for the listens guys. There is a lot to fix in this number and I am remixing now. But. Before I do anything too distructive I will tidy the 5 Tron VSTI'S and loud cymbals among other things and repost it.
    If I decide to put it in a Bandcamp release I will redo probably the whole thing.or maybe not? perhaps just more savage pruning all over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clivey View Post
    Not a release as such although I may finish and redo it and put it on a future bandcamp release Have not decided on next project direction yet. Its called "A new way"

    https://www.soundclick.com/music/son...ongID=14336416
    I second the folks who have complimented the use of the wind instruments. The song overall is very lush and soothing but has a lot of layers and lots going on in the mix. Very immersive. The vocal reminds me a bit of Robert Wyatt's work on Rock Bottom, that same kind of gentle almost childlike exploratory quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBES View Post
    I second the folks who have complimented the use of the wind instruments. The song overall is very lush and soothing but has a lot of layers and lots going on in the mix. Very immersive. The vocal reminds me a bit of Robert Wyatt's work on Rock Bottom, that same kind of gentle almost childlike exploratory quality.

    Thanks for listening and comments, Peter Pan was the 1st book I read by myself very young. and I`ve been referred to as a Peter like character and they arn`t too wrong. I`ve done new remix this AM on same link

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    Just in time for the weekend.
    Here's a song I just finished, hope you can find time to listen.
    What better way to keep warm and dry on a cold and wet Florida Friday, then listen to a love song(not a ballad).
    be safe out there, and have fun.

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    Very nice, Richard! Your voice on this one is somewhat evocative of Stanley Whitaker of Happy the Man fame. I like the way the drums build up at about the 2:40 mark to propel the song to it's end.

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    I agree, definitely channeling Stanley on the vocals. I also like the little bit of Spanish flamenco acoustic in the beginning. You could use more of that throughout, especially in the soft section in the middle.

    and yeah, I'm sharing that rain with you. I also put the start of something together yesterday and sent it to some collaborators to see what might come of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarplyrjvb View Post
    Very nice, Richard! Your voice on this one is somewhat evocative of Stanley Whitaker of Happy the Man fame. I like the way the drums build up at about the 2:40 mark to propel the song to it's end.
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    I agree, definitely channeling Stanley on the vocals. I also like the little bit of Spanish flamenco acoustic in the beginning. You could use more of that throughout, especially in the soft section in the middle.

    and yeah, I'm sharing that rain with you. I also put the start of something together yesterday and sent it to some collaborators to see what might come of it.
    Thanks so much for listening Joe and Bob, I appreciate the feedback and positive input.

    I have to admit, I've never really listened to Stanley Whitaker or Happy the Man. I remember the Genesis reference from their song, but never had an album or listened to them and/or Stanley.
    I like the comparison tho, I just listened to a quick sample of Stanley doing In Your Eyes on Amazon 30 sec sample.
    Any recommendation on the best of Happy the Man?

    Joe, I love that part as well at the end. Actually the second half of the song was the first thing I wrote and recorded. It came together rather quickly, but it was only a bit over a minute long, so I decided to write a section with vocals based on the music and chord structure of the last half.

    Several years ago, I bought a Traveler guitar, elect strat, because I liked the small format. Well big mistake, the neck on it had a weird shape, and after practicing on it for a song, my left thumb went numb on me.
    I haven't been able to play guitar very much since then and it's been well over 2 years, but the feeling is slowly coming back and it's about 85% normal now, but flares up if I play very long.
    I have missed playing and writing on guitar so much, I decided to get some guitar software, as well as try to learn how to use the one's on my Yamaha Montage(beautiful guitar samples).
    So this song was a beginning exercise on trying to get better on software guitar while my thumb is still healing.
    My goal was to record a song without any mellotron, strings, piano, etc and just try to use guitars on it.

    I had done many versions of the first half and finally settled on the mix I liked and exported it to stereo to blend in with the last half which also was mixed to stereo from a separate project.
    I realized I had some mistakes in the first half, and went back to find the original project and I could not find it no matter what I did.
    So I was stuck with the magic of the first stereo tracks and wound up having to add a couple tracks over it and blend them in, rather than use the later versions which weren't working soundwise for me.

    I like the idea you have Bob of more Flamenco in the middle, but as the final project was already 2 tracks, I couldn't fix it even if I wanted to try.

    I've found over the years, most songs take on a life of their own, and sometimes things happen which we have no control over, and you have to make the best lemonade out of the lemons you're given.

    Thanks again guys, and looking forward to your new collab Bob.
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    Richard, my favorite Happy the Man is "Crafty Hands". The first Oblivion Sun album is also great. You really can't go wrong with any of their stuff IMHO.

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    Just in time for the weekend.
    Here's a song I just finished, hope you can find time to listen.
    What better way to keep warm and dry on a cold and wet Florida Friday, then listen to a love song(not a ballad).
    be safe out there, and have fun.

    Very nice. Don't know Happy the Man, to me I hear some Phil Collins in the vocals.

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    If you can find Happy The Man Live that's where I started. Definitely more energy in the live recording but they are one nimble band.
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    Hi guys! Sorry - been off this thread for a while and I've got lots of listening to catch up!

    I haven't been very productive myself either for different reasons, but I've rebounded and is on my way back up again! Meanwhile, I've been working on some cover stuff to get myself up to par regarding production and other studio work. Here is an example of what I'm working on - I will probably release it later and it's already cleared, but still a bit of a rough mix, so I've kept the upload private

    https://soundcloud.com/hfxx/music-de...0a0cc54eb481d2

    The John Miles classic "Music" is one of the most epic and maybe the cheesiest of his 70's songs, with its full orchestral arrangement. I've always been quite fond of the song - but I've always wanted it to be heavier and proggier! So I've created this cover as it would have been some 70s symphonic rock band doing it. The arrangement is quite faithful to the original but heavier and with different instruments doing the parts (Hammond, a bunch of Mellotrones, polysynths and - of course - guitars). I've done the production, (hand) played all instruments and my friend Alexis (from Cyprus) has contributed with some excellent vocals. I hope you enjoy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Just in time for the weekend.
    Here's a song I just finished, hope you can find time to listen.
    What better way to keep warm and dry on a cold and wet Florida Friday, then listen to a love song(not a ballad).
    be safe out there, and have fun.

    Nice pallete of sound and strong vox too

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    Quote Originally Posted by hFx View Post
    Hi guys! Sorry - been off this thread for a while and I've got lots of listening to catch up!

    I haven't been very productive myself either for different reasons, but I've rebounded and is on my way back up again! Meanwhile, I've been working on some cover stuff to get myself up to par regarding production and other studio work. Here is an example of what I'm working on - I will probably release it later and it's already cleared, but still a bit of a rough mix, so I've kept the upload private

    https://soundcloud.com/hfxx/music-de...0a0cc54eb481d2

    The John Miles classic "Music" is one of the most epic and maybe the cheesiest of his 70's songs, with its full orchestral arrangement. I've always been quite fond of the song - but I've always wanted it to be heavier and proggier! So I've created this cover as it would have been some 70s symphonic rock band doing it. The arrangement is quite faithful to the original but heavier and with different instruments doing the parts (Hammond, a bunch of Mellotrones, polysynths and - of course - guitars). I've done the production, (hand) played all instruments and my friend Alexis (from Cyprus) has contributed with some excellent vocals. I hope you enjoy!
    Very pro production values, Huge overall excellent and an epic singer , keep him close at hand.even if only virtually.
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    Some vocal weirdness at about 50 seconds, but otherwise fantastic. Man, wish I had a male singer with those chops. Make the lead guitar much more forward at 4:15 it's great stuff and should be heard. Album worthy there my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hFx View Post
    Hi guys! Sorry - been off this thread for a while and I've got lots of listening to catch up!

    I haven't been very productive myself either for different reasons, but I've rebounded and is on my way back up again! Meanwhile, I've been working on some cover stuff to get myself up to par regarding production and other studio work. Here is an example of what I'm working on - I will probably release it later and it's already cleared, but still a bit of a rough mix, so I've kept the upload private

    https://soundcloud.com/hfxx/music-de...0a0cc54eb481d2

    The John Miles classic "Music" is one of the most epic and maybe the cheesiest of his 70's songs, with its full orchestral arrangement. I've always been quite fond of the song - but I've always wanted it to be heavier and proggier! So I've created this cover as it would have been some 70s symphonic rock band doing it. The arrangement is quite faithful to the original but heavier and with different instruments doing the parts (Hammond, a bunch of Mellotrones, polysynths and - of course - guitars). I've done the production, (hand) played all instruments and my friend Alexis (from Cyprus) has contributed with some excellent vocals. I hope you enjoy!
    Fantastic. The singer sounds a bit like Elton John at times.
    What are you going to take up next? How about Worn down piano?

    Quote Originally Posted by clivey View Post
    Very pro production values, Huge overall excellent and an epic singer , keep him close at hand.even if only virtually.
    Very good singer indeed.
    Quote Originally Posted by BobM View Post
    Some vocal weirdness at about 50 seconds, but otherwise fantastic. Man, wish I had a male singer with those chops. Make the lead guitar much more forward at 4:15 it's great stuff and should be heard. Album worthy there my friend.
    I heard that glitch as well. Don't know what went wrong, or was it intentional? I agree with the lead guitar at 4:15 being more upfront. I know it is kind of hard to get this kind of things right, to make the guitar stand out and still keep the orchestral part loud enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarplyrjvb View Post
    Richard, my favorite Happy the Man is "Crafty Hands". The first Oblivion Sun album is also great. You really can't go wrong with any of their stuff IMHO.
    Thanks Joe, I'll check those 2 out.
    Quote Originally Posted by BobM View Post
    If you can find Happy The Man Live that's where I started. Definitely more energy in the live recording but they are one nimble band.
    Thank you Bob, I'll check that one out when researching Joe's suggestion.
    Quote Originally Posted by clivey View Post
    Nice pallete of sound and strong vox too
    Thanks clivey, really appreciate your comments and for listening.

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    Very nice. Don't know Happy the Man, to me I hear some Phil Collins in the vocals.
    Thanks Renate..I love Phil's vocals a lot, so it's wonderful you hear some in this song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hFx View Post
    Hi guys! Sorry - been off this thread for a while and I've got lots of listening to catch up!

    I haven't been very productive myself either for different reasons, but I've rebounded and is on my way back up again! Meanwhile, I've been working on some cover stuff to get myself up to par regarding production and other studio work. Here is an example of what I'm working on - I will probably release it later and it's already cleared, but still a bit of a rough mix, so I've kept the upload private

    https://soundcloud.com/hfxx/music-de...0a0cc54eb481d2

    The John Miles classic "Music" is one of the most epic and maybe the cheesiest of his 70's songs, with its full orchestral arrangement. I've always been quite fond of the song - but I've always wanted it to be heavier and proggier! So I've created this cover as it would have been some 70s symphonic rock band doing it. The arrangement is quite faithful to the original but heavier and with different instruments doing the parts (Hammond, a bunch of Mellotrones, polysynths and - of course - guitars). I've done the production, (hand) played all instruments and my friend Alexis (from Cyprus) has contributed with some excellent vocals. I hope you enjoy!
    WOW!! I'm speechless, this is epic. You've done a excellent job on everything.
    This version reminds me in some sections of Clive Nolan's Arena, both in instrumentation and vocals.
    Agree with everyone, Alexis is amazing, what a voice and interpretation. The two of you work well together, and hopefully this is the beginning of more collaborations.
    I've loved your music for quite some time, but this one is off the charts! Everything you've done to this point, has given you the experience to pull this off.
    I agree with Bob, this is professional album material.

    BRAVO!!!
    Let us know when it's finished, and you're happy with it enough to share again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Just in time for the weekend.
    Here's a song I just finished, hope you can find time to listen.
    What better way to keep warm and dry on a cold and wet Florida Friday, then listen to a love song(not a ballad).
    be safe out there, and have fun.

    I really like the blending of acoustic and electric guitar textures here (at least I think that's what's happening?) It's a very full and enveloping sound for being a relatively straightforward arrangement. Vocals are very soulful and evocative, and I like the switch into a darker mood at 2:15ish and the buildup toward the coda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBES View Post
    I really like the blending of acoustic and electric guitar textures here (at least I think that's what's happening?) It's a very full and enveloping sound for being a relatively straightforward arrangement. Vocals are very soulful and evocative, and I like the switch into a darker mood at 2:15ish and the buildup toward the coda.
    Thank you so much for listening and commenting. I love reading positive comments from musicians I consider having a lot of creativity and talent.
    After doing this as a hobby for over 50 years, I still doubt myself at times, but my passion to express myself through creating music hasn't dimmed, even at 74 years old.

    I feel honored to be able to submit my life's musical expressions in this thread, here among a group of musicians with such great talent in this thread.

    Please keep us posted with your continued music compositions.

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    A prog rock classic and a gold oldie. This wasn't my project but I played piano and organ on it. Personally I wouldn't have used a female vocalist but, not my project. I was also asked to do the mix and master, but they decided to go another way on the final. So I'm posting both versions, one mine and another someone else's. Which do you prefer and why?

    https://www.bandlab.com/fabass2020/a...0-e42aac7a5303

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobM View Post
    A prog rock classic and a gold oldie. This wasn't my project but I played piano and organ on it. Personally I wouldn't have used a female vocalist but, not my project. I was also asked to do the mix and master, but they decided to go another way on the final. So I'm posting both versions, one mine and another someone else's. Which do you prefer and why?

    https://www.bandlab.com/fabass2020/a...0-e42aac7a5303

    https://soundcloud.com/user-13963192...d76eda2474122a
    Nice rendition and some fine keys, Bob!

    Regarding the mix/mastering I generally prefer the clarity of your Soundcloud mix! All the instruments sounds better too, especially the drums, but the vocals are underwhelming. The Bandlab mix is squished and lacks all dynamics and the drums sounds awful. However, there is significantly more punch in the vocals in the Bandlab Mix, which lifts her performance quite a lot - sounds almost like an additional "angrier" take.

    Bottom line - I prefer your mix and if you could give the vocals more of the "Bandlab punch" it would sound even better! Vocal handling is quite an art in itself, but well worth to spend time with!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobM View Post
    You guys might have listened to a solo piano track I made last month called "Teardrops". Well, a saxophone playing friend in Rome just brought this to the next level. It has now surpassed my original and is incredibly emotive and pretty, so I had to share it here. Enjoy.

    https://www.bandlab.com/fizbahn/tear...f-a04a5e798978
    Nice! I like both versions - the "contemplativeness" of the piano piece and the passion of the piano/saxophone duo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobM View Post
    A prog rock classic and a gold oldie. This wasn't my project but I played piano and organ on it. Personally I wouldn't have used a female vocalist but, not my project. I was also asked to do the mix and master, but they decided to go another way on the final. So I'm posting both versions, one mine and another someone else's. Which do you prefer and why?

    https://www.bandlab.com/fabass2020/a...0-e42aac7a5303

    https://soundcloud.com/user-13963192...d76eda2474122a
    Lovin some Jethro Tull on a Thursday morning. Your keys playing is excellent and adds a lot to the overall sound. They are lucky to have you in the ensemble.
    I like both versions.
    The first is more traditional and safe.
    You mix is punchier and more creative, especially when you add the effects to the vocals(a couple spots tho,the vox bordered on going too bright)
    I agree with hfX, your mix brings out the instruments better. which I liked but overall, almost too loud.
    I would say your version is a modern mix, and that's a good thing, and as I said earlier, the first version is traditional and also good.
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    Thanks for your feedback guys
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    Happy Thanksgiving to those of you based in the USA. To the rest ... have a good Thursday.

    Do you mind if I share some thoughts on collaborations, now that I'm hip deep in them?
    - first, focusing on just one or two instruments and on how to enhance a song instead of dealing with every element of it is a very nice thing. One solo maybe. One little trill in the right spot. Keeping on the beat and raising the energy level when called for. It's all good.
    - second, dealing with one or two others on a track is still fine, but when you get five or six people it can become a nightmare. Everyone wants their track louder so they stand out. Of course, the singers tend to be diva's and often they are controlling the project, even if they didn't initiate it.
    - third, don;t expect anything to be done on any schedule that you had in your mind when you started.
    - fourth, expect to redo your track at least once, sometimes because you are being stepped on by someone else, but more often because the timing of a section has likely changed after the others add their parts and now you are out of synch.
    - fifth, recording is about precision. Playing live is about energy. Small mistakes can sound huge on a recording.
    - sixth, communication is paramount, but misunderstandings are to be expected, especially when dealing with people from around the world. One person;s expectation should never be assumed. Just know you will have headaches and to handle issues gently.

    Yes, I'm writing all this now because I'm waiting for my Tylenol to kick in after dealing with a Diva yet again this morning. We've gone back and forth on an issue she is hearing on her track, only to find out she added FX at her end of things and there's the problem. Now she says she assumed I was downloading a raw version and I assumed whatever she put up was how she wanted it to sound.

    So, Happy Thanksgiving. Hopefully I've managed to finalize this next collaboration that's giving me the headache and can post a link to it soon. It's a great track. It sounds awesome, and I have hopes that it's finally done now.
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