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    Backtracking on playing Relayer is a problem for me. It's not like 40 minutes of Relayer prevents them from fitting 3-4 new songs into the remaining 80. And I'm sorry if the idea of playing Relayer is "overcooked" for them, but after they recently changed tour plans to accommodate the 50th anniversary of Close to the Edge, now they can't be bothered to do the same for Relayer? No -- I think we all know what's going on, and it's called CYA.

    Now I REALLY hope Jon and the Geeks make it to the west coast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquatarkus View Post
    I do hope we get more than the token one or two tracks from the new album. I understand it was made of digital samples each contributed and they don't actually know the songs yet as a band but the new material reflect the band as it is and presumably plays to their strengths!
    Mirror to the Sky was recorded together to a much greater degree than The Quest. Downes did all his recording at Schwartz's studio with Howe there. Davison was there most of the time. Sherwood was there some of the time, although Sherwood also recorded parts in the US and Schellen only recorded parts in the US.

    For example, see this interview with Downes: https://domino.elfworld.org/geoff-do...ove-yes-music/ He says, "During the pandemic, we were scattered all over the place and we were literally just sending our files back and forth online, and Steve was sitting there with the engineer, collecting all the material that was coming in. [...] Fortunately [...] with this album we had the benefit of a more integrated approach where most of us were in the UK [except for Schellen]."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    Mirror to the Sky was recorded together to a much greater degree than The Quest. Downes did all his recording at Schwartz's studio with Howe there. Davison was there most of the time. Sherwood was there some of the time, although Sherwood also recorded parts in the US and Schellen only recorded parts in the US.

    For example, see this interview with Downes: https://domino.elfworld.org/geoff-do...ove-yes-music/ He says, "During the pandemic, we were scattered all over the place and we were literally just sending our files back and forth online, and Steve was sitting there with the engineer, collecting all the material that was coming in. [...] Fortunately [...] with this album we had the benefit of a more integrated approach where most of us were in the UK [except for Schellen]."
    I didn't realize that Geoff worked with Mike Oldfield on Islands! I love the longer title track and am a pretty big Oldfield fan in general. This is a good interview. I hope DBA gets some good press when their new one is released later this year. His work with Chris Braide is quite good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquatarkus View Post
    I didn't realize that Geoff worked with Mike Oldfield on Islands! I love the longer title track and am a pretty big Oldfield fan in general. This is a good interview. I hope DBA gets some good press when their new one is released later this year. His work with Chris Braide is quite good.
    Downes however participated only on one track ("Magic Touch") on Islands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcrimso View Post
    Downes however participated only on one track ("Magic Touch") on Islands.
    The Downes production it is difficult to track down is the other one mentioned in the interview, Ole Everund's 1987 This Ole Town. It's not on streaming services, it's not been re-issued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    The Downes production it is difficult to track down is the other one mentioned in the interview, Ole Everund's 1987 This Ole Town. It's not on streaming services, it's not been re-issued.
    The whole album is on YouTube though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_du...BHrYSzoOaSPj9o

    I've never been a fan of this album, despite Downes' involvement. This was the lead single which also apparently included Downes on keys in addition to his production:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Roth View Post
    The whole album is on YouTube though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_du...BHrYSzoOaSPj9o

    I've never been a fan of this album, despite Downes' involvement. This was the lead single which also apparently included Downes on keys in addition to his production:

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    From the title I thought it would be a cover of the Sparks song.

    Having listened to it that would have been a better idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taliesin View Post
    From the title I thought it would be a cover of the Sparks song.

    Having listened to it that would have been a better idea.
    I thought so as well.

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    Found this in the Zappa-Hologram thread...

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    I’m waiting for the first Power of Suggestion Tour, where nobody goes anywhere or does anything.
    Voilà !

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    The Paris concert is now re-scheduled for 2024, May 20.
    Although the promoter claims that it will be ''the same concert'' (i.e. the one you paid for in 2019, i.e. Relayer), it may not, since the UK Classic Tales tour begins three days later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclemeat View Post
    The Paris concert is now re-scheduled for 2024, May 20.
    Although the promoter claims that it will be ''the same concert'' (i.e. the one you paid for in 2019, i.e. Relayer), it may not, since the UK Classic Tales tour begins three days later.
    Howe has more or less intimated that the plan to play "Relayer" in its entirely has been abandoned, arguing that they'd waited too long (others, including myself, would cite other blatant reasons), but I would expect them to play at least one song since it's anniversary year in 2024. "Sound Chaser" seems very unlikely, "Gates of the Delirium" the most realistic since the same line-up had played it in 2018 (with White only coming in for "Soon"), and "To Be Over" the best option in my book - at least I've never witnessed a better line-up playing it, unlike "Gates" in 2000/01.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Howe has more or less intimated that the plan to play "Relayer" in its entirely has been abandoned, arguing that they'd waited too long (others, including myself, would cite other blatant reasons), but I would expect them to play at least one song since it's anniversary year in 2024. "Sound Chaser" seems very unlikely, "Gates of the Delirium" the most realistic since the same line-up had played it in 2018 (with White only coming in for "Soon"), and "To Be Over" the best option in my book - at least I've never witnessed a better line-up playing it, unlike "Gates" in 2000/01.
    I'd agree on To Be Over. They might make a go of that... not sure I'd like to see them take on Gates again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Howe has more or less intimated that the plan to play "Relayer" in its entirely has been abandoned, arguing that they'd waited too long (others, including myself, would cite other blatant reasons), but I would expect them to play at least one song since it's anniversary year in 2024. "Sound Chaser" seems very unlikely, "Gates of the Delirium" the most realistic since the same line-up had played it in 2018 (with White only coming in for "Soon"), and "To Be Over" the best option in my book - at least I've never witnessed a better line-up playing it, unlike "Gates" in 2000/01.
    My guess would be that they play exactly the same set as on the recent US dates.
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    I was really impressed with their “Gates” when I saw em in 2019!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmh84 View Post
    I was really impressed with their “Gates” when I saw em in 2019!



    I agree!


    nothing wrong at all with the version I saw


    with all of the complaining I've heard from the current line-up, I've only seen one slight fuck up, Geoff missing a Turn of the Century transition by a half measure during that crazy almost rootless break. hardly something to bitch about. esp when other version of Yes' have had their share


    what I won't do is complain about a player's choice in playing pre-existing parts as many do with Geoff or JonD etc. anyone who has picked up an instrument ought to know what fucking STYLE is!!! jfc man, it's such an overlook to not acknowledge 'style'


    'complaining' about Yes "fuck-ups" is really a retroactive reaction thing, is it not?? when you frame it as a bunch of players playing repertoire it's always "GET IT RIGHT???!!!!!!!!", but when music is performed by the writers and arrangers, there's a different sliding scale


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquatarkus View Post
    It's difficult to say 'I can't play Sound Chaser at anything faster than one half speed with my aging hands and Geoff doesn't have enough arpeggiators to cover the album.' So when you don't want to actually admit the truth, you get some vaguely worded cancel notices and then deflect when asked about it. I know this sounds harsh but I honestly think Howe knows his band couldn't do justice to large parts of Relayer. No shame in that. Only one guy present was involved in its making and Howe is old now. Only the mystics who live around the moons of Jupiter understand how Anderson can sing the way he does at age 78. I knew when Yes kicked the Relayer can down the road last year that we would never get that album.

    Getting older sucks. There is a reason I think Steve plays more steel these days. It's easier on the hands. I studied piano and guitar as a younger person and I see the slowing in my hands in my fifties and I'm just a rank amateur! Howe is hitting the late 70's God bless him. I do hope we get more than the token one or two tracks from the new album. I understand it was made of digital samples each contributed and they don't actually know the songs yet as a band but the new material reflect the band as it is and presumably plays to their strengths! Yes used to play unreleased tracks to the crowds, as in the 15 minutes of Release Release and Arriving UFO I posted in another thread. Anderson mentions during that gig that the new album will be out in a couple of weeks.
    where can I find the Release track? TIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiberman View Post
    where can I find the Release track? TIA.
    Here you go! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZZYzPIQy5w

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelogicPA View Post
    I agree!


    nothing wrong at all with the version I saw


    with all of the complaining I've heard from the current line-up, I've only seen one slight fuck up, Geoff missing a Turn of the Century transition by a half measure during that crazy almost rootless break. hardly something to bitch about. esp when other version of Yes' have had their share


    what I won't do is complain about a player's choice in playing pre-existing parts as many do with Geoff or JonD etc. anyone who has picked up an instrument ought to know what fucking STYLE is!!! jfc man, it's such an overlook to not acknowledge 'style'


    'complaining' about Yes "fuck-ups" is really a retroactive reaction thing, is it not?? when you frame it as a bunch of players playing repertoire it's always "GET IT RIGHT???!!!!!!!!", but when music is performed by the writers and arrangers, there's a different sliding scale


    I have 400 Yes bootlegs that offer plenty of evidence both ways



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    Its a pity that the live version of Gates from 2019 was missed off the live album because they had planned a full Relayer live DVD/CD for 2020, of course that didn't happen so its left sitting on the shelf. Maybe they could do another release combining it with last year and this years shows?

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    More European dates are up at Yesworld.

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    Finally they sorted out the European 'insurance' issues!

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    Still no mention of a new date for the Helsinki show that got postponed when Benoît David fell ill in 2011

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    Finally they sorted out the European 'insurance' issues!
    They've abandoned eastern Europe (and Scandinavia). Cancelled 2023 dates included Czechia, Poland, Finland, Estonia, Sweden, Norway and Denmark, all countries missing from the new schedule. Howe said at the time of the cancellation that this would be a consequence of the insurance issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    They've abandoned eastern Europe (and Scandinavia). Cancelled 2023 dates included Czechia, Poland, Finland, Estonia, Sweden, Norway and Denmark, all countries missing from the new schedule. Howe said at the time of the cancellation that this would be a consequence of the insurance issues.
    He also said the insurance issue was the reason made public alluding that there were other problems too that we don't know about.


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