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    Quote Originally Posted by Yodelgoat View Post
    Um not these days, no. In my younger days when bands received revenue from radio play I listened.
    Bands never received revenue from radio play. Not fifty years ago, not today. Radio doesn’t pay performance royalties in the United States. Only songwriters received royalties from radio play. Remember, a song has two primary royalties, one involving the songwriter for the underlying composition, and one involving the master recording for the performer. So in the case of a popular song like “Blinded By the Light”, Bruce Springsteen (songwriter) receives a royalty from radio play while Manfred Mann (performer) gets nothing. The United States is one of four countries in the world that operate this way, the other three being North Korea, China and Iran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimjack View Post
    Bands never received revenue from radio play. Not fifty years ago, not today. Radio doesn’t pay performance royalties in the United States.
    Actually, it does, but it only keeps track of the most popular playlists in major metropolitan areas, and so it gives the money collected on my behalf (for example) to Beyonce and Taylor.

    Seriously. Google it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    Actually, it does, but it only keeps track of the most popular playlists in major metropolitan areas, and so it gives the money collected on my behalf (for example) to Beyonce and Taylor.

    Seriously. Google it.
    Seriously, it doesn’t. Never has. Satellite and interactive radio (like Pandora) is a different story but regular old terrestrial AM/FM radio has never, ever, ever, ever paid performance royalties. Ever ever ever ever ever. (Not to give you the idea that I’ve been in meetings with classic rock artists/managers recently who are ranting/railing about this very topic or anything like that of course...and I’d never say anything to disparage Legacy Recording artist Beyonce).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimjack View Post
    Seriously, it doesn’t. Never has. Satellite and interactive radio (like Pandora) is a different story but regular old terrestrial AM/FM radio has never, ever, ever, ever paid performance royalties. Ever ever ever ever ever.
    Then it gives the songwriting royalties to the most famous people. There is money collected from every on - air station on behalf of rights holders. That's absolutely definite. I don't and didn't pay a lot of attention because, ultimately, none of it would ever make it to our folks, but I know it is collected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    P.S. We should get together some time in person and remember what each other looks like, while getting drunk enough that we can forget what each other looks like!
    LOL, I'd might be up for that! These days drunken forgetfulness is starting to look more and more appealing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    Then it gives the songwriting royalties to the most famous people. There is money collected from every on - air station on behalf of rights holders. That's absolutely definite. I don't and didn't pay a lot of attention because, ultimately, none of it would ever make it to our folks, but I know it is collected.
    That’s right...radio pays SONGWRITERS but in the US/China/Iran/North Korea, radio gives PERFORMERS a big NOTHING. And they are fighting hard to keep it that way. So for all the bitching about how streaming services have been screwing artists, radio has a multi-decade head start on them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpyprogfan View Post
    A stream of one song pays the artist something like 1/1000 of a penny. No wonder most current musicians need a day job to survive.
    Do they get paid if you start streaming a song but donít finish it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimjack View Post
    Bands never received revenue from radio play. Not fifty years ago, not today. Radio doesn’t pay performance royalties in the United States. Only songwriters received royalties from radio play. Remember, a song has two primary royalties, one involving the songwriter for the underlying composition, and one involving the master recording for the performer. So in the case of a popular song like “Blinded By the Light”, Bruce Springsteen (songwriter) receives a royalty from radio play while Manfred Mann (performer) gets nothing. The United States is one of four countries in the world that operate this way, the other three being North Korea, China and Iran.
    If anything, what streaming services are charged per play is exorbitant compared to over the air radio. In the early to mid 20 aughts, it was feared the comparatively massive fee, set by the Librarian of Congress, would smother internet radio in its infancy.
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