I also saw the "SBTE" tour. My one and only time seeing them. One of the loudest concerts I have ever seen to this day. It was fricking loud that the sound was a muddy mess. The show was cool, but it was so loud my girlfriend at the time only made it through about half of it then went out to the lobby of the arena to wait out the rest. I left before the encore. On this tour they were also a bit upstaged by a very young and hungry Iron Maiden. They did a short set, but kicked the ass out of the place.
^I could imagine...just as Van Halen were said to have wiped the floor with Black Sabbath when those two toured together in 1978.
Re: The Tull Chateau tapes:
I don't recall the studio sessions being bootlegged, but I know Tull briefly played a couple of the tracks live around 1973, Audition and No Rehearsal if memory serves, and those could have been bootlegged. I am curious for sure though, how anyone could be listening to those studio tracks in 1975, when they did not surface until 1988!
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Oh geez, what the frell would Malmsteen had done if Blackmore hadn't existed?
I Remember one of the guitar magazines back in the 90's doing a piece that sort of sarcastically pointed out that Yngwie might in fact be a clone of Ritchie (perhaps some sort of weird Nazi plan gone awry?!). They used two pictures, one of each guitarist, and pointed out the similarities: both playing Strats with scalloped fingerboards, middle pickup lowered down (this was before Fender put out the Blackmore model that doesn't even have a middle pickup), "curly cues" of strings around the machine heads, and in the case of these two photos they were both wearing the same style black leather fringe jacket.
They also pointed out that both guitarists favored Marshalls (well, Ritchie did before he switched in the 90's), both had "classical overtones" to their playing, both had worked with Graham Bonnett and Joe Lynn Turner (and in each case, Ritchie worked with the given vocalist first), and both were infamously temperamental and incapable of keeping a stable band lineup together.
re: Chateau tapes being used on a Rainbow documentary,
What are we talking about? The Jethro Tull Chateau D'isaster tapes? You can insert any music you like when you're making a documentary. Typically when you're interviewing someone for TV or a film project, you have them in a quiet room, and later, you dub whatever you want in to accompany the commentary. That's probably what you have here.
Oh geez, what the frell would Malmsteen had done if Blackmore hadn't existed?
I Remember one of the guitar magazines back in the 90's doing a piece that sort of sarcastically pointed out that Yngwie might in fact be a clone of Ritchie (perhaps some sort of weird Nazi plan gone awry?!). They used two pictures, one of each guitarist, and pointed out the similarities: both playing Strats with scalloped fingerboards, middle pickup lowered down (this was before Fender put out the Blackmore model that doesn't even have a middle pickup), "curly cues" of strings around the machine heads, and in the case of these two photos they were both wearing the same style black leather fringe jacket.
They also pointed out that both guitarists favored Marshalls (well, Ritchie did before he switched in the 90's), both had "classical overtones" to their playing, both had worked with Graham Bonnett and Joe Lynn Turner (and in each case, Ritchie worked with the given vocalist first), and both were infamously temperamental and incapable of keeping a stable band lineup together.
In the mid 90's, Yngwie put out a covers album, and half the songs were from Deep Purple and Rainbow.
Are we sure that the example in this Rainbow documentary wasn't a case of the music being dubbed on afterwards by the production team? Or is the music in question definitely ambient sound recorded while Ritchie was being interviewed in 1975?don't recall the studio sessions being bootlegged, but I know Tull briefly played a couple of the tracks live around 1973, Audition and No Rehearsal if memory serves, and those could have been bootlegged. I am curious for sure though, how anyone could be listening to those studio tracks in 1975, when they did not surface until 1988!
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Yeah, I have a couple DVD's that were put out by Classic Rock Productions, and each has "trailer" of sorts for Mostly Autumn, among the "bonus" features. I think this was around the time they were using Roger Dean and Rodney Mathews artwork without either artist's permission, etc.
As I recall, they put out a series of DVD documentaries about a lot of bands, each of which featured commentary from people not at all connected to the band, including (surprise!) members of Mostly Autumn. And they used very short audio clips, because apparently if it's under 10 seconds or whatever, you don't have to pay a royalty. So they just dumped a mother frelling dren load of cheap documentaries on the market, and I think the ones that I looked at on Amazon, almost uniformly had bad reviews.
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Interesting that you invoke Planet P, since Planet P was basically Rising era Rainbow's former keyboardist, Tony Carey. Funny thing about that: Carey basically was carrying on two careers at the time. On the one hand, he was putting out records as Planet P, which were sort of slightly Pink Floyd sounding. I've got a pink vinyl double LP copy of his ambitious concept album, Pink World. As I recall he basically played all the instruments on those records. And of course, some might remember the hit Why Me, which was on the previous Planet P record.
But at the same time, he was also putting out records under his own name, which were more mainstream sounding, closer to a Springsteen/Mellencamp/whatever vibe. In that context, he had a hit called Fine Fine Day. And it's funny to me that I needed this to be pointed out to be in a music magazine at the time (though Tony couldn't contractually appear in any of the Planet P videos, he was able to do interviews to promote Planet P, where it was fully disclosed who he was), I hear the songs now, and it's very obviously the same guy singing the lead vocals on Fine Fine Day, as well as Why Me, Behind The Barrier, What I See, etc.
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Yeah, it's not surprising that Snowman had a Planet P vibe to me and, as I'm a huge TC fan, I'm more than aware of his career. I spent a lot of time on eBay hunting down several of his out-of-print CDs and I have some of his original Go Out Dancing demos that one of his old website operators posted in mp3 format (apparently without his permission, as it turned out and I believe they had a huge falling out over it or something...I exchanged some emails with the guy many years ago). Those GOD demos were great and it took forever to get some of those songs released officially.
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
Tony's an incredible talent, a guy blessed with a fine singing voice, a multi-instrumentalist, and one unafraid to indulge rock, electronic and prog — all at the same time via various pseudonyms. Some Tough City and IWBHT are great rock records. Pink World is (still) the best Planet P Project series, but they're all good, though I wouldn't recommend them to Trane.
But that track is really a stinker...
Never understood how the band could stretch it to 15-minutes and make it an encore
I'm not finding any poor tracks on their debut, only one on Rising (Eyes), but on LLRnR, there are a couple of duds, IMHO : the last there tracks of the album, though neither are as bad as Eyes, but Rainbow Eyes is really awful (at least on a Rainbow album)
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
Long Live was never a very good album, IMO. And Blackmore was hardly more than a mediocre songwriter himself, as far as I'm concerned. While I'm no longer too crazy about his guitarplaying either, he was effective in some instances - and he had a 'mark' of his own there. But his attemptive forays into "more serious" musics was and is embarrassing, I think. I believe I must have attended some 8-900 concerts in my life, and that Blackmore's Night endeavour I was forced to see/hear all those many years ago was possibly among the 20-or-so most pitifully kitschy endeavours I've ever had to endure.
Big breasts though, and that always counts for something.
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I think that 2cd anthology Catch The Rainbow pretty much nails their best work. I played it again recently and it's very well compiled, a disc of Dio and another one with the Bonnet/JLT material. A few of the single tracks like 'Jealous Lover' and 'Weiss Heim' are on there too.
Even Rising (their best album) has a dud in the shape of 'Do You Close Your Eyes'. I can't believe they even played that thing live, it screams filler.
Last time I played that Germany 1976 live album, the version of 'Stargazer' held up better than I remembered (although it's admittedly 'noodly'). Not sure why they didn't include it on the On Stage double album, that's not much over an hour as it stands! Always felt that track was by far their peak. 'A Light In The Black' doesn't seem to have been a set-list regular.
Blackmore's Night has always been a must to avoid for me, I'm afraid.
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