^^ NICE!!
^^ NICE!!
"The White Zone is for loading and unloading only. If you got to load or unload go to the White Zone!"
Well I quite disagree, in my book there is plenty of filler and I'd delete even more than many others.
I would omit the dull and bromide "Don’t Pass Me By", the adolescent and boring "Why don’t we do it in the Road?", and the other McCartney hard rock fail "Helter Skelter" which I liked when I was 12 but not any more (you and Charles Manson can keep the POS), the worthless "Good Night", the totally disposable "Wild Honey Pie", I would also leave out the extremely annoying "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" - yes, I know that song is well loved but it would fit better on a lesser McCartney solo album IMO and is not quite up to snuff. Anyway. I wouldn't miss it. I would also leave out the eminately forgetable "Long Long Long" and the admittedly quasi-amusing but not quite up to snuff B-material "Rocky Raccoon". I also have to omit the throw-away afterthought written in five-minutes track "Birthday", and the focused study of mediocrity and unoriginality that is "Yer Blues". Also gone is "The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill" and "Cry Baby Cry" which are not quite up to snuff, but were a tougher calls. Auto-excluded of course is the vomit-inducing "I Will" which might represent the height of McCartney twee. While Revolution #9 is excellent in my book, it is totally out of place so regrettably that goes as well. Savoy Truffle barely makes the cut, but it sounds just great and so it belongs.
What do we have left? One of the absoutely greatest popular rock albums ever made with nearly every track a gem!
Back In The USSR
Dear Prudence
Glass Onion
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Happiness Is A Warm Gun
Martha My Dear
I'm So Tired
Blackbird
Piggies
Julia
Mother Nature's Son
Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey
Sexy Sadie
Revolution 1
Savoy Truffle
I would also modify the track order now that the gristle and tripe have been removed to furhter fine-tune what is now a stone-cold masterpiece.
Last edited by Buddhabreath; 06-14-2019 at 04:14 PM.
Yes, that's right I was lumping you folks in with Charles Manson. <- see there? I can roll my eyes as well... and you call me the drama queen? Jezuz!
PE: the place where you have to explain to people that the White Album is a great record, that Peter Hammill is a good vocalist after all, and that Led Zeppelin is a decent rock band. (we used to get beaten back in the 80's if we said otherwise - and it was for the best).
The Beatles invented the 2 record set. Without it there's no Physical Graffiti or Exile On Main street. So there......
Agree with and endorse every word (except the parenthetical about skipping "Revolution 9," which is brilliant and a milestone in musique concrète). Including the "Nyaaaah." Especially the "Nyaaaah."
I'm also with Sir Paulie: "It's great, it sold, it's the bloody Beatles' White Album. Shut up!"
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Well, here are my thoughts on Revolution #9. I'm glad it exists. I'm glad it's on the album. But it's not music. It is an acid trip for 8 minutes. It's not a "song," it's a a kaleidoscope of noize. To me it's not avant, it's just noise. It's insane. It's great for what it is, but it is not music. It doesn't count.
And it doesn't suck and it's not crap, it's just 8 minutes of stoned out noise.
With due respect, it is music, just not conventional music. It is a lot like musique concréte and the taped / electronic experiments that had been going on for the better part of a decade.
Useful definition: Music is sound arranged too produce an aesthetic effect (beyond that of language). "Revolution 9" is exactly this.
Cobra handling and cocaine use are a bad mix.
Agreed. One caveat is that musique concréte had already been around for a long time and can be traced back to the 1920’s, and was a recognized and more formalized term no later than 1949 with the work of Pierre Schaeffer, Pierre Henry and others. From my perspective of having listened to a fair amount of this material, Revolution #9 is not particularly innovative or seminal but rather exposed the public to a different musical form much as they did with Indian classical music. I love Revolution #9 and consider it part of the Genius of the Beatles to have included it on a mass-marketed product.
Varèse thought that "to stubbornly conditioned ears, anything new in music has always been called noise", and he posed the question, "what is music but organized noises?"
To the Pokot people, "Dear Prudence" would be little but organized noise or even noise period.
To some, "Revolution 9" is merely noise. Yet it's undoubtedly organized, and 'though by 1968 certainly not historically new, it's still new to those unable to relate. Was it innovative on purely artistic terms in 1968? No, but The Beatles were a popular musics band - and by producing "Revolution 9", that approach by definition became part of the pop music oeuvre. Which it continued to be, as "noise" emerged as a separate genre in popular music itself during the 70s - albeit without the consent of some "progressive" rock fans.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
"Beauty in music is too often confused with something that lets the ear lie back in an easy chair."
Charles Ives
Apologies if I that's how it came across.
You stated that "It is a lot like musique concréte and the taped / electronic experiments that had been going on for the better part of a decade." Based on that, the casual observer might not be aware as I'm sure you are of the long history of musique concréte and indeed electronic experimentation. Perhaps caveat was not the right word as I don't know and certainly didn't mean to presume your knowledge and understanding. Most people are unaware of this largely obscure and fascinating corner of music history, and although obviously PE denizens are obviously not "most people", I was simply seeking to expand upon your point as poorly worded as it may have been.
Thank you for the opportunity to clarify that. It's nice to respond to an actual point rather than sniveling, humorless, self-righteous, presumptuous attacks on the poster by those who begin and end with ad-hominems rather than making a point at all other than to denigrate others and thereby make themselves feel superior. I am always happy to explain my posts, take constructive criticism and stand corrected no matter how profound the disagreement, misunderstanding or error.
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