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    Quote Originally Posted by Halmyre View Post
    Either that or he's a lonely hard-done-by drifter. No half measures with Dave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MudShark22 View Post
    I always wondered if Aynsley ever did The Studebaker Hoch Dancing Lesson and Cosmic Prayer for Guidance at any of the '87 shows

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    Well, given that Aynsley was fired from the band almost as soon as his parts were recorded, I find it rather unlikely.

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    Didn't know Ainsley played WS. It seems getting fired from Journey made it difficult for him to keep jobs or find new ones. Why did he leave the Kantner crew?

    Quote Originally Posted by lovecraft View Post
    Still have a soft spot for Come and Get It. But lets not pretend its anything else than music for sexually desperate teenage boys.....
    that's about it. I paid attention at the time when Lord & Paice were in the band, but got rid of the vinyls in the early/mid 80's. I didn't even keep the double live (usually that's the last thing I hang on to)
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Didn't know Ainsley played WS. It seems getting fired from Journey made it difficult for him to keep jobs or find new ones. Why did he leave the Kantner crew?
    I have read some comments from both Kantner and Journey's managers that Dunbar had a tendency to get in trouble on the road. As far as Whitesnake I thought DC just wanted a younger looking band to do the videos and tour, but I may be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pb2015 View Post
    I have read some comments from both Kantner and Journey's managers that Dunbar had a tendency to get in trouble on the road.
    According to Herbie Herbert, he had to keep bailing Aynsley out, because he had a fondness for young groupies. At least once, the girl was apparently the daughter of a mayor or a sheriff or police chief or some such. At some point, Aynsley was deemed a liability, so that's why he got fired from Journey.

    As far as Whitesnake I thought DC just wanted a younger looking band to do the videos and tour, but I may be wrong.
    Except that Aynsley's replacement was Tommy Alderidge, who's been around since the mid 70's and he never struck me as being particularly "young" looking.

    In the liner notes of the new boxset, David makes it seem like he envisioned this iteration of teh band with Cozy Powell on the drum riser. When Cozy opted out, David had to find someone else. I think he says something to the effect that he actually asked Tommy at first, but I guess he initially said no, for whatever reason. But he makes some comment about how he felt either Cozy or Tommy would have made the album much better.

    Oh, and for what it's worth, David apparently first asked Adrian Vandenberg to join when Micky Moody opted out, I think, but Adrian's own band Vandenberg were experiencing a huge hit with their single Burning Love, so Adrian turned him down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovecraft View Post
    But lets not pretend its anything else than music for sexually desperate teenage boys.....
    As opposed to prog rock, which is music for...what? A bunch of D&D playing teenage boys, who are probably just as sexually desperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    As opposed to prog rock, which is music for...what? A bunch of D&D playing teenage boys, who are probably just as sexually desperate.
    I'm a forty-something who has never even looked at a D&D board, who lives with his wife of 22 years and who has never been (I'd like to think, anyway) sexually desperate. I've listened to prog rock for about 35 years.

    Why do you think I would fit this description you've provided?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    According to Herbie Herbert, he had to keep bailing Aynsley out, because he had a fondness for young groupies. At least once, the girl was apparently the daughter of a mayor or a sheriff or police chief or some such. At some point, Aynsley was deemed a liability, so that's why he got fired from Journey.
    Yeah, I've heard the too-young groupie thing before (not that ever stopped Page from fucking 13 yo) as one of the reasons of Dunbar ousted from Journey (along with a certain rowdiness/drunkenness in post concerts activities), but I'd suggest that the cultural differences and logistics (work permit or green card issues) also made a difference for one UK dude in a US band (I mean Kantner & Co were probably lesss lenient than diuring the Airplane days as well)... Let's just say that Dunbar was definitely not corporate rock enough for the times.
    This works both ways though, as we've seen in Sean's SOAL videos how Struemer and Thompson never really felt all that integrated into a UK group.

    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    Except that Aynsley's replacement was Tommy Aldridge, who's been around since the mid 70's and he never struck me as being particularly "young" looking.
    In the liner notes of the new boxset, David makes it seem like he envisioned this iteration of teh band with Cozy Powell on the drum riser. When Cozy opted out, David had to find someone else. I think he says something to the effect that he actually asked Tommy at first, but I guess he initially said no, for whatever reason. But he makes some comment about how he felt either Cozy or Tommy would have made the album much better.
    Of course in WS, it was a UK-only (or mainly) band before 87, and past that, I think only Coverdale was English, the rest being US'ers.
    Indeed Coz and Aldridge had talent enough not follow Dunbar's empty stool, but still following the US/UK thing, the former was not the aim. The latter did make sensations amongst my high school females by playing in diapers (see the back cover of Travers' Go For What You Know in 79), but I'm not sure this would've made their little sister cream their jeans 10 years down the line.





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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    As opposed to prog rock, which is music for...what? A bunch of D&D playing teenage boys, who are probably just as sexually desperate.
    I'm a forty-something who has never even looked at a D&D board, who lives with his wife of 22 years and who has never been (I'd like to think, anyway) sexually desperate. I've listened to prog rock for about 35 years.

    Why do you think I would fit this description you've provided?
    I don't think GG meant it that way or singling you out.

    I've been a prog fan (didn't know I was "prog" until the mid-90's, though) ever since my first albums bought in 74 (Crime of The Century, DSOTM, ITLOG&P, Aqualung, TAAB, ITOFTCK and SEBTP were in my first 10 rock albums), and I've never played D&D in my life (though I did witness a game or two). From what I witnessed, the kids who dug D&D were more metal heads or regular mainstream dudes.

    As for sexually-desperate kids, I think Meat Loaf's BooH addressed that much more than The Gabe's Counting Out Time (which actually made fun of it) .

    BTW, never thought of myself as sexually repressed/frustrated/deseperate, even if I didn't get inside all the high-school panties I would've wished.
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    This works both ways though, as we've seen in Sean's SOAL videos how Struemer and Thompson never really felt all that integrated into a UK group.
    Well, yeah, I could see that, given that they were "just" ancillary musicians used to fill out the sound onstage, they didn't play on the records or contribute to the songwriting. And I know in Darryl's case, he's mainly a guitarist, I'm not sure he'd ever played bass before 1978. I think he disliked that he was finding himself playing more and more bass with Genesis, I guess with them retiring most of the Hackett era material and Mike feeling more confident with his own "lead" guitar abilities. I kinda have the impression he didn't wasn't happy with that happening.

    Something I always thought was curious about Genesis was all the press photos I saw of them with Bill, Darryl and Chester in them. I can't think of any other band that I ever saw do that with their auxiliary musicians. Usually, they'd barely get any acknowledgement, beyond a notice in the tour program or in "musician oriented" articles (say in Guitar Player or other similar magazines). And some bands, as we know, hid their ancillary musicians offstage, e.g. Cheap Trick, Yes, and the post-Jon Lord Whitesnake.


    Of course in WS, it was a UK-only (or mainly) band before 87, and past that, I think only Coverdale was English, the rest being US'ers.
    Adrian Vandenberg is Dutch, Vivian Campbell is Irish, and Rudy Sarzo is Puerto Rican. When Coverdale reconvened Whitesnake in the late 90's, after the whole Coverdale/Page episode, the first album they did had Guy Pratt on bass, he's English. Not sure about the guys he's had in the band since then.

    Indeed Coz and Aldridge had talent enough not follow Dunbar's empty stool, but still following the US/UK thing, the former was not the aim. The latter did make sensations amongst my high school females by playing in diapers (see the back cover of Travers' Go For What You Know in 79), but I'm not sure this would've made their little sister cream their jeans 10 years down the line.







    I don't think GG meant it that way or singling you out.

    I've been a prog fan (didn't know I was "prog" until the mid-90's, though) ever since my first albums bought in 74 (Crime of The Century, DSOTM, ITLOG&P, Aqualung, TAAB, ITOFTCK and SEBTP were in my first 10 rock albums), and I've never played D&D in my life (though I did witness a game or two). From what I witnessed, the kids who dug D&D were more metal heads or regular mainstream dudes.

    As for sexually-desperate kids, I think Meat Loaf's BooH addressed that much more than The Gabe's Counting Out Time (which actually made fun of it) .

    BTW, never thought of myself as sexually repressed/frustrated/deseperate, even if I didn't get inside all the high-school panties I would've wished. [/QUOTE]

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    Rudy Sarzo is Puerto Rican.??????

    He's Cuban.

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    ^Correct.

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    I'd like for Dave - we're on first names here/now - to come and sing more about those "big fat knockers" he's on about in that wonderful rendition of "Highway Star" on Last Concert in Japan.

    I think he should make a big-fat-knocker concept triple record.
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    I saw a drum clinic by Aldridge in the early 90's. As I recall when I walked in he was in the middle of a solo with only his big curly hair visible above the drums, and I think playing with his hands like Bonham. Then he did a q&a for a while, funny guy. He had some not so nice things to say about Ozzy, I don't remember him mentioning Whitesnake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic2012 View Post
    Rudy Sarzo is Puerto Rican.??????

    He's Cuban.
    ¡Ay caramba! (and that woudl have sounded a lot more impressive if that exclamation hadn't been co-opted by Bart Simpson)
    Levae it to David Coverdale to screw something like that up. There's a point in the liner notes of the 30th anniversary edition of the eponymous album, where there's a quote, I think from the time, where he identifies the band members' respective ethnicities, I guess because he viewed the 1987 lineup of the band as some sort of rock n roll UN.

    Dammit, and I think I knew (or used to know) Rudy was Cuban too. I remember Carlos Cavaso saying in Guitar World back in 1984 that Quiet Riot was really big in Latin America because of him and Rudy (Carlos was born Stateside, but his father was Mexican).

    Dios mio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    Dios mio.
    Say it right: "¡Ay, Dios mío!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    Why do you think I would fit this description you've provided?
    I'm a fifty-something who wouldn't know D&D from a B&B. So, same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dropforge View Post
    Say it right: "¡Ay, Dios mío!"
    A Cuban would say
    ..Ay Mi Madre.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic2012 View Post
    A Cuban would say
    ..Ay Mi Madre.....
    See, I would'nt know that. I jsut on Law & Order, whenever it's a Latino who finds the body at the beginning of the episode, they always says "Ay Dios mio!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic2012 View Post
    A Cuban would say
    ..Ay Mi Madre.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    See, I would'nt know that. I jsut on Law & Order, whenever it's a Latino who finds the body at the beginning of the episode, they always says "Ay Dios mio!"
    Because a Latino didn't write it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropforge View Post
    Because a Latino didn't write it.
    Say it ain't so!
    Next you'll be telling me that those "rural" comedies in the '60s were written by city-slickers.

    Anyway, back to CulebraBlanco:
    I remember an interview with Tommy Aldridge where he said he was contacted about playing on the 1987 album,
    but he turned it down because he and Rudy Sarzo were busy with Tony MacAlpine. He said that Dunbar recorded
    the album and was told to play like him (Aldridge).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravedigger View Post

    Anyway, back to CulebraBlanco:
    I remember an interview with Tommy Aldridge where he said he was contacted about playing on the 1987 album,
    but he turned it down because he and Rudy Sarzo were busy with Tony MacAlpine. He said that Dunbar recorded
    the album and was told to play like him (Aldridge).
    Oh yeah, that's right, the Project: Driver record. I forgot about that, I think I've got that in my collection somewhere. And yeah, that's basically what Coverdale says in the liner notes of the 30th anniversary set, he wanted Tommy in the first place (well, actually, in the first place, he'd have preferred Cozy had stayed, but when Cozy opted out, he tried to get Tommy, settled for Aynsley, then after the album was done, fired Aynsley and got Tommy in).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravedigger View Post
    Say it ain't so!
    Next you'll be telling me that those "rural" comedies in the '60s were written by city-slickers.



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