Tangerine Dream - An Alternative

[battema]

While Froese was still alive they did an EP that included two Froese/Schnauss compositions. Both are great, I slightly favor this one:



Most of the material that the post-Froese TD has released is at least partly based upon material that Froese had already created, but of course that's kind of a posthumous collaboration. I suspect Froese's widow pushes for that hard. Quaeschning and Schnauss actually collaborated and released an album called Synthwaves together which could easily have been released as Tangerine Dream.

And as for what he brings to the table, this is from his last solo album and is absolutely gorgeous:

[JAMOOL]

haven't caught up with his new stuff yet - I think Goodbye from 2007 is the last one I have from him. Love his stuff but he does strike me as the sort of artist you don't necessarily need more than a few albums by. I do really like the track you posted...I guess I'll have to pick the new stuff up

[battema]

His last few really shook up his formula quite a bit, which was great to see/hear from an artist who could've easily just settled into a groove.

I slightly favor his latest "No Further Ahead Than Today" because it does show a bit more of the influence TD had upon his sound, but his previous one "A Long Way to Fall" is simply gorgeous and a stunning-sounding production.

Since I'm pseudo-hijacking this thread with my Schnauss fangushing...here's one from "Long Way to Fall" that I rather love:



His albums with Jonas Munk are also really, really great.

[dropforge]

Random fun facts, here are the TD members with the longest tenures:

Edgar Froese (duh) 48 years
Chris Franke 17 years
Jerome Froese 16 years
Linda Spa 15 years
Thorsten Quaeschning 14 years

Interestingly, Jerome's time in the band was as long as Peter Baumann, Johannes Schmoelling and Paul Haslinger combined. And technically that isn't really true...I count Baumann's years as 6 years even though he quit at least once or twice during that time. Spa surprised me as well, and she WAS writing during that time so it wasn't just showing up at the shows to play sax and pretend to perform on an unplugged keyboard.

And ultimately Thorsen could surpass all of them save for Papa Froese, as he's still an active member so his time is only going to increase

Linda left and came back for another round, so I'm surprised she logged that many years. I think her contributions the second time were better.

That said, Linda and Zlatko were the aspects of the 220 Volt tour I liked the least: she was meant to be eye candy, and Z-man slappin' his guitar and dancin'-by-himself was funny-not-funny at the same time. Zlatko could shred, but the note tornado got old and didn't jell with the tracks much of the time. Klaus Krieger was supposed to return for that tour, but it didn't work out, i.e. too many canned drum tracks to mime to (lol). Jerome picked up a guitar and played some Mickey Mouse hammer-ons (ew). It wasn't until Edgar finally came out with his guitar and played what would be titled "Hamlet" for the live album that things really felt like "Tangerine Dream" during that concert.

Talk about a continental divide between the '88 and '92 shows!

[battema]

I can't disagree...when I saw them in 92 I had no idea about the lineup changes and it was not at all what I was expecting. I did like parts of it..."Love on a Real Train" was beautifully done but the sax/guitar just didn't work for me.

[dropforge]

I can't disagree...when I saw them in 92 I had no idea about the lineup changes and it was not at all what I was expecting. I did like parts of it..."Love on a Real Train" was beautifully done but the sax/guitar just didn't work for me.

That, "Hamlet," "Sundance Kid" and, yes, "Purple Haze" (complete with Jerome "playing" Octapad) were the highlights of the show for me.

The '88 show was rad. I'm sure you own Rockface, which is almost exactly the show I saw/heard down in San Diego at a great little venue called the California Theater (now shuttered). We did not get "Alexander Square" in SD.

[battema]

Potentially relevant to folks in this thread: http://www.neuland.net/

New collab between Peter Baumann and Paul Haslinger.

Full tune:



Reminds me more of Baumann than Haslinger, at least on first listen.

[dropforge]

Finally!

[Tangram]

Ever have a day when you wanted to listen to TD, but nothing was really grabbing you or you've played it too much lately. Well, that was me today. I went to Spotify and one of the groups recommended to me was Redshift. I've heard of then, listened to a few tracks and decided they were almost a clone of TD. I spend a lot of time on the computer today and listened to 4 of their albums. Enjoyed the hell out of all of them. They just picked up a new fan. A little looking on wiki and they appear to be no more. Damn.

Any other suggestions? I have a nice amount of TD and the solos of most of the members. Thanks

[battema]

Ho boy, no short answer to that question

Starting easy: Redshift was initially Mark Shreeve and Ian Boddy. So you can dive into both of their prior works (both leaned more toward electronic rock early on - particularly Shreeve - but it's generally good stuff). Boddy's got the DiN label which releases a metric sh*t-ton of this stuff, including great collabs with Robert Rich (as Arc), some stuff with Markus Reuter, and more.

Also, check out Perge who started as a way to literally try and recreate some of the late 70's/early 80's vibe but still with their own original touch. This is EXACTLY the band I reach for when I get the feeling you described above.

Half of the stuff that The Rosen Corporation does is very Vangelis / Blade Runner, but the other half is actually pretty solid Berlin electronics.

[dropforge]

The first three Redshift CDs are entirely Mark. He adopted the moniker to separate the new approach from the melodic stuff (which I prefer) circa '85-'95. On Halo, Mark brought in his brother Julian, plus James Goddard and guitarist Rob Jenkins.

ARC = Shreeve + Boddy. I like those albums a lot more than Redshift. My favorite is Fracture (the epic "Rapture' is what it's all about).

[battema]

Wow...it's not every day I get just about every fact wrong in a single post Why did I think Boddy was involved with Redshift initially??

[dropforge]

Because of ARC.

Seriously, DiN issues a LOT of stuff. It's easy to get the deets twisted. It seems like everyone on the label collaborates at some point...

[Dave (in MA)]

Wow...it's not every day I get just about every fact wrong in a single post Why did I think Boddy was involved with Redshift initially??

I seem to recall that Boddy helped out with some live shows.

[Dave (in MA)]

Is Redshift's James Goddard any relation to Duncan Goddard of Radio Massacre International?

[dropforge]

Is Redshift's James Goddard any relation to Duncan Goddard of Radio Massacre International?

Not sure. Steve Dinsdale (beebfader) of RMI used to post here a bit. He'd know.

[Tangram]

Thanks dropforge, battema, and dave. I knew you guys would have suggestions. I just got my summer homework assignment.

[battema]

Sidestepping my butchery of the DiN catalog

I'm listening to The Rosen Corporation this morning, mostly for the Blade Runner side. It's really good stuff (I suggest "Replicant" as a good starting point for that sound), but the Berlin stuff is great too.

[Dave (in MA)]

Has anybody (including me) mentioned this before (too lazy to check)?

https://syn-music.bandcamp.com/

Tribute or rip-off, you decide.

[smcfee]

Any other suggestions?

Radio Massacre International, ARC, Node, Navigator, AirSculpture are five I like a lot (along with Redshift).

[SunRunner2]

Radio Massacre International, ARC, Node, Navigator, AirSculpture are five I like a lot (along with Redshift).

Can you inform me where I can get Redshifts release "Ether" on CD? The only place that it is offered on is the Redshift website, and that's only in download format. Very maddening to not be able to get "Ether" on CD format without paying a ransom on Ebay. I have Redshifts first CD and love it, but nowhere have I found "Ether" on CD.

I also have run into a roadblock on Radio Massacre Intl, specifically their release " Bothered Atmos". Syn-phonic doesn't have it in stock anymore and can't get it back in stock, apparently. Again, I need it on CD or CD-R.

I have a Navigator CD but it isn't electronic Prog. It's neo-Prog from the US but is very good. I recommend it highly.

Any help or direction you can give me here would be appreciated. Thank you...

[smcfee]

Can you inform me where I can get Redshifts release "Ether" on CD? The only place that it is offered on is the Redshift website, and that's only in download format. Very maddening to not be able to get "Ether" on CD format without paying a ransom on Ebay. I have Redshifts first CD and love it, but nowhere have I found "Ether" on CD.

I also have run into a roadblock on Radio Massacre Intl, specifically their release " Bothered Atmos". Syn-phonic doesn't have it in stock anymore and can't get it back in stock, apparently. Again, I need it on CD or CD-R.

For the 90s/00s era Berlin School stuff, you are going to pay through the nose for most of it in physical form. There was a physical reissue of the first Redshift that can still be purchased at a reasonable price, but most of the catalog is pricier. There are copies of "Ether" at Discogs starting at $50 + shipping.

For RMI, in general anything that was on Centaur is out of print and expensive. "Bothered Atmos" was done by the band themselves on CDR and is available at Wayside. If you actually meant "Borrowed Atoms", that will be hard to find.

If you are willing to do without a physical copy, you can get Ether on Bandcamp for 7 GBP. Unfortunately "Borrowed Atoms" comes in two parts for a total of 40 GBP :-\, but if it's "Bothered Atmos" you want, like I said you can grab it from Wayside.

I have a Navigator CD but it isn't electronic Prog. It's neo-Prog from the US but is very good. I recommend it highly.

Different groups. The one I'm talking about is from Denmark: https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/navigator-1

[SunRunner2]

For the 90s/00s era Berlin School stuff, you are going to pay through the nose for most of it in physical form. There was a physical reissue of the first Redshift that can still be purchased at a reasonable price, but most of the catalog is pricier. There are copies of "Ether" at Discogs starting at $50 + shipping.

For RMI, in general anything that was on Centaur is out of print and expensive. "Bothered Atmos" was done by the band themselves on CDR and is available at Wayside. If you actually meant "Borrowed Atoms", that will be hard to find.

If you are willing to do without a physical copy, you can get Ether on Bandcamp for 7 GBP. Unfortunately "Borrowed Atoms" comes in two parts for a total of 40 GBP :-\, but if it's "Bothered Atmos" you want, like I said you can grab it from Wayside.

Different groups. The one I'm talking about is from Denmark: https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/navigator-1

Thank you for the valuable input, smcfee.