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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    ...And the other is a certain degree of respect to the historical significance of an album (that's why I used Forever Changes as an example). I may not like Tangerine Dream for example, and maybe they are not to my taste, but I wouldn't go there and throw 6 and 7 to their albums, since I understand how important a band they were in the development of music. I would pprobably not rate their albums at all, or would lift their ratings taking into account their significance.
    Speaking for my own ratings, I would disagree with this statement. The distillation to a single number for a rating is simply how much I enjoy listening to any given album, and how I compare it to other albums I have heard/rated. I think that written reviews are the place to expound on the other contextual elements, but that's just me.

    This has been an interesting thread - I distinctly recall threads of this nature about fifteen years ago that were much more directed at finding fault with the site and bashing it. I'm glad to see it still provides a useful reference for many.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    ...the one thing to stretch here is that any kind of evaluation has to stem from some specific understanding of progressive music. It would be insane to give Henry Cow a "5" and then Sleepytime Gorilla Museum a 14. Or Black Sabbath a "4" and then Candlemass a 15. When someone isn't really into psych music, a "7" is expected for Love.
    I would find that person insane, but I think it is perfectly acceptable to rate solely on how much the rater likes a particular album, rather than contextually. There are plenty of albums in a style where I might be the outlier that likes someone three generations down the line, rather than the originator. I'll risk raising you're ire here and admit that while I can see the significance of Zappa, I'd take a Euro knock-off of Zappaesque jazz-rock over the real deal most any day Though if it makes you feel better, I do have a 14 on Forever Changes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Camelogue View Post
    Sounds like raters are not as active as they might have once been.
    This is one place where the site falls flat for me, and I wish there would be more enforcement of having people keep up with their ratings. We all have other things happening outside of rating for a website, but as a long-time member and user of the site, I could do with a purge of at least two of those rows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    Who are these raters? Is it a fixed club? Who chose them and under what criteria? Any of these raters active members here in PE?
    It's all rather Masonic, initiation ceremonies, meetings with robes donned under candlelight... or at least it was in the beginning when it was ruled by the Prognoscenti. Then they let people like me in...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    More recent music tends to be overlooked in my opinion. I understand that there are guidelines, but one rarely sees a new record crossing the "11" ceiling. Seems a bit unfair, I don't know.

    My feeling is that the raters are too Prog-oriented.
    I think that's a really good point, and I know those of us who are part of the site and who use it would certainly like to see people on there who can keep up with what is current, though I have to admit to being something of the opposite. Fifteen years ago I was up on what was current and always buying new releases. Nowadays I find myself predominantly listening to things from the late 60s through the late 70s. There's an astounding amount of things from that time period that are still under the radar, and as you mentioned elsewhere, seem to have an intrinsic, if not stylistic, similarity that appeals to me so much more than anything modern.


    Quote Originally Posted by John Doe View Post
    The site would be so much better if a bit more information would be displayed about the raters, only the name pops up, however if next to the name, styles the rater like and dislike would be shown ... that would be really useful

    Many times I check an album, a few raters go for 7-8, others for 12, if a little window would open when I point out a rater and I discover he loves styles I dislike then the 12 is meaningless to me or the 8 becomes relevant.

    As it is is complicated, I can't learn/ check or know 120 raters.

    It's a horrible experience and kills the page for that purpose, but if instead of getting the rater name when you put the cursor on any of those 3 mysterious letters you get the whole information you stay on the page and chan check as many raters as you want.

    Gnosis will suddenly be a lot more fun.
    I lament the fact that the URL of the site is essentially nominative determinism - the look and feel of it never seemed to get past the 20th century. Things like this would be incredibly useful. It is cumbersome to go back and forth to find out things about the raters, but honestly, it's the best way. I've been familiar with the site so long I know what to expect from the first three rows, but I admit I'm in the same boat as you with the remaining ones, unless I happen to know where a specific person sits outside of that range.

    The wealth of data still keeps me going back, despite these things. I still don't know a better, concentrated resource for this type of music.

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    I suppose if some rater has been inactive for a year or more, they should probably be asked to recommit or resign

    I've been very active at rating new albums and re-rating older ones about once a week, but I'm not sure how many other raters are as active as I am
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Thanks for your comments Pr33t

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    I did try to establish contact but to no avail.

    Something as what usually happens in real life...

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    Hi... just sent you a private PM. My apologies, as I've been out traveling for business all week and haven't been here on PE. Anyway.... more to come. Hang in there

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashratom View Post
    Hi... just sent you a private PM. My apologies, as I've been out traveling for business all week and haven't been here on PE. Anyway.... more to come. Hang in there
    I got nothing either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashratom View Post
    Hi... just sent you a private PM. My apologies, as I've been out traveling for business all week and haven't been here on PE. Anyway.... more to come. Hang in there
    Cheers, thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post

    Well, Tom, without you and Dirk (and Mike) we (or at least I) wouldn't be anywhere in our/my search for weird and great music.
    Indeed. Maybe not weird (I don't listen to weird music ;-)) but your site Tom, helped me find many obscure titles. And thank you for accepting me as a reviewer. If I remember correctly I had to wait few years before this happened. I became one right after famous/infamous Proto-Prog Poll on old PE, same time as Chris (nosebone).
    Great site for research and finding challenging, unconventional, hard to find music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigmatic View Post
    Indeed. Maybe not weird (I don't listen to weird music ;-)) but your site Tom, helped me find many obscure titles. And thank you for accepting me as a reviewer. If I remember correctly I had to wait few years before this happened. I became one right after famous/infamous Proto-Prog Poll on old PE, same time as Chris (nosebone).
    Great site for research and finding challenging, unconventional, hard to find music.
    Thanks! Sometimes it seems I write these reviews only for myself to read...

    (Ian - sent you a note as well....)

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    Sooooo, just checking up how our new members doing after roughly six weeks residency....
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from heroin-addicts to crazy ones

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    Haven't been given any sign in details yet so waiting on Dirk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Sooooo, just checking up how our new members doing after roughly six weeks residency....
    If by residency u mean waiting at the doorstep, it's ok. Just a bit cold...

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    MMmhhh!!!!....



    if I asked, it's because I didn't see your names and spots on the grid appearing
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