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    You know what? I’m older than CDs! Old enough to remember when they were first released!

    I will repeat myself: there’s no such thing as a menu on the CDs themselves, it’s not in the initial Red Book specification. There was an extension to the specification called CD-TEXT that allows storage of the track informations on the CD itself. CD-TEXT was introduced in 1996! 80’s CD does not have track information! Many 90’s CD doesn’t either! I’m pretty sure it is still not mandatory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberian Cat View Post
    Iím pretty sure it is still not mandatory.
    Obviously siffle.gif (and sadly wall.gif) it isn't

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberian Cat View Post
    You know what? Iím older than CDs! Old enough to remember when they were first released!.
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    The CD-TEXT isn't mandatory I guess but it looks pretty amateurish or negligent when new CDs come out and don't have that info. I never play my CDs in a player that has an internet connection.

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    CD TEXT is pretty rare, I think about 20% of the releases?
    My good friend Asaf from MIO records made sure all the MIO CDs that went under his hand had this feature, it has got nothing to do with the pressing plant but with the guy who is authoring the CDs and usually he couldn't care less about this.

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    I have never owned CD player that display song names. And I have had some pretty decent players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcrimso View Post
    I have never owned CD player that display song names. And I have had some pretty decent players.
    most hi-fi CD players developped after the millenial should be able to do that (both my NAD decks read them, for ex)... My car's in-built deck is from 2007 is able to do it, and the deck in my previous one (a CitroŽn Xantia from 98, but the CD deck was slightly newer) was also able to display them
    If memory serves, my Phillips CD hi-fi burner (dating from 2001) is able to write stuff on the CD-r, but it looked complicated enough that I never bothered.
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    I just re-saw the great TD Coventry concert video and it's mentioned in the end titles : Music from the record Ricochet. Are these exactly the same Ricochet exerpts as on the Stratosfear bonus which seems a bit longer then the video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard View Post
    I just re-saw the great TD Coventry concert video and it's mentioned in the end titles : Music from the record Ricochet. Are these exactly the same Ricochet exerpts as on the Stratosfear bonus which seems a bit longer then the video.

    Bing....

    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Been listening to the stand-alone remixes CD... Nothing to say about the sonics, though one could wonder whether the Coventry cathedral concerts placed as a bonus on Stratosfear wouldn't have been better placed on another disc...

    I mean Stratosfear, despite its title, is a fairly poppy album (at times, difficult not to fetch similarities with Kraftwerk in terms of beat) by TD standars, but the Coventry stuff is more akin to Richochet (the previous album)
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    "Stratosfear...is a fairly poppy album...(at times, difficult not to fetch similarities with Kraftwerk in terms of beat)..."

    That must be some good shit you're smoking.

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    Well, now wait a minute... I remember when Stratosfear first came out; I bought it and, upon first listen, thought that it was a lot more commercial-sounding than any of the other TD albums I already had. Not "poppy", but certainly a move in that direction...

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundsweird View Post
    Well, now wait a minute... I remember when Stratosfear first came out; I bought it and, upon first listen, thought that it was a lot more commercial-sounding than any of the other TD albums I already had. Not "poppy", but certainly a move in that direction...
    Yup, those sequencers were certainly changing the band's direction, and compared to Zeit, Ricochet or Rubycon, it sounded much more accessible.
    "Poppy" may not be the right word, but it was certainly their "poppier" one compared to the rest of their albums at that time... Didn't last long because future albums would of the same ilk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soundsweird View Post
    Well, now wait a minute... I remember when Stratosfear first came out; I bought it and, upon first listen, thought that it was a lot more commercial-sounding than any of the other TD albums I already had. Not "poppy", but certainly a move in that direction...
    It was certainly more musical...
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    This is pretty interesting...Peter Baumann does a track-by-track commentary of some of songs from the box set:

    https://www.theransomnote.com/music/...in-recordings/

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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard View Post
    I just re-saw the great TD Coventry concert video and it's mentioned in the end titles : Music from the record Ricochet. Are these exactly the same Ricochet exerpts as on the Stratosfear bonus which seems a bit longer then the video.
    The Coventry piece on the Stratosfear disc is the actual concert audio from the Cathedral released for the first time, none of it appears on Ricochet. Ricochet was recorded at the end of the tour at Croydon Fairfield Hall, or in the case of Side One, in the studio. It's generally accepted that Ricochet was used instead as a cheeky way of getting a free 30 minute ad for the LP on the non-commercial BBC ! It worked ! I bought it immediately after seeing it !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beebfader View Post
    The Coventry piece on the Stratosfear disc is the actual concert audio from the Cathedral released for the first time, none of it appears on Ricochet. Ricochet was recorded at the end of the tour at Croydon Fairfield Hall, or in the case of Side One, in the studio. It's generally accepted that Ricochet was used instead as a cheeky way of getting a free 30 minute ad for the LP on the non-commercial BBC ! It worked ! I bought it immediately after seeing it !!!
    Has anybody attempted to sync the Coventry audio to the Coventry visuals ? And if so, provided a rationale for the makers of the boxed set NOT offering a version combining the two ?

    (To be honest, I can understand Virgin's decision to use "Ricochet" music instead, purely on grounds of the Coventry performance being TD at, let's say, not exactly its most commercial...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Roth View Post
    This is pretty interesting...Peter Baumann does a track-by-track commentary of some of songs from the box set:

    https://www.theransomnote.com/music/...in-recordings/
    Interesting read... A few remarks -

    - Some really good insights from Peter on the making of those albums, "Phaedra" in particular. Good to know he hasn't lost touch with how magical these early albums were.

    - The journalist seems to have no clue it's "Stratosfear" not "Stratosphere" (despite embedding a video of the title track)

    - Edgar and Peter seemed to have a habit of recording Chris Franke without his knowledge ! Maybe that's why Chris wants nothing to do with TD anymore ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beebfader View Post
    The Coventry piece on the Stratosfear disc is the actual concert audio from the Cathedral released for the first time, none of it appears on Ricochet. Ricochet was recorded at the end of the tour at Croydon Fairfield Hall, or in the case of Side One, in the studio. It's generally accepted that Ricochet was used instead as a cheeky way of getting a free 30 minute ad for the LP on the non-commercial BBC ! It worked ! I bought it immediately after seeing it !!!
    Has anybody attempted to sync the Coventry audio to the Coventry visuals ? And if so, provided a rationale for the makers of the boxed set NOT offering a version combining the two ?

    (To be honest, I can understand Virgin's decision to use "Ricochet" music instead, purely on grounds of the Coventry performance being TD at, let's say, not exactly its most commercial...)
    I've owned the Coventry DVD (a bootleg for sure) for a fair while (5 to 10 years), but only saw it once, since it's not really a filmed performance (if memory serves), and you don't get to see what they're doing on stage

    https://rateyourmusic.com/release/vi...athedral-1975/

    I still feel the Coventry stuff should be bonus in the Ricochet reissue, rather than on Stratosfear... but TBH, in terms of accessibilty, it goes back to Runycon and Phaedra days (IMHO, anyways).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    I still feel the Coventry stuff should be bonus in the Ricochet reissue, rather than on Stratosfear... but TBH, in terms of accessibilty, it goes back to Rubycon and Phaedra days (IMHO, anyways).
    I think the same can be said of much of that bonus material, including on the reissues of the earlier albums. I tend to re-arrange stuff in iTunes to make, among other things, the inclusion of bonus material more coherent, and in TD's case I have often placed the bonus material on an album's reissue alongside the previous album.

    Ossiachensee 6/71 with "Alpha Centauri"
    "Ultima Thule" single A/B-sides with "Zeit"
    Cologne 11/72 with "Atem"
    Deutschlandhalle 11/73 with "Phaedra"
    Coventry 10/75 with "Rubycon"
    the three solo tracks from 70-80 with "Stratosfear"
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Has anybody attempted to sync the Coventry audio to the Coventry visuals ? And if so, provided a rationale for the makers of the boxed set NOT offering a version combining the two ?

    (To be honest, I can understand Virgin's decision to use "Ricochet" music instead, purely on grounds of the Coventry performance being TD at, let's say, not exactly its most commercial...)
    Yes, a friend has...David Gurr (you can find him through my Facebook). To be honest I wouldn't care if I ever saw the visuals again. They are so heavily edited as to be meaningless anyway. Incidentally, the version of TD at Coventry Cathedral shown on the continent was 40 minutes, and not 30 ! The extra 10 minutes audio came from the YORK gig !! Why is anyone's guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    I think the same can be said of much of that bonus material, including on the reissues of the earlier albums. I tend to re-arrange stuff in iTunes to make, among other things, the inclusion of bonus material more coherent, and in TD's case I have often placed the bonus material on an album's reissue alongside the previous album.

    Ossiachensee 6/71 with "Alpha Centauri"
    "Ultima Thule" single A/B-sides with "Zeit"

    Cologne 11/72 with "Atem"
    Deutschlandhalle 11/73 with "Phaedra"
    Coventry 10/75 with "Rubycon"
    the three solo tracks from 70-80 with "Stratosfear"
    What I think Wilson did was more or less work chronologically, since Coventry was done after Ricochet's release, therefore he put it on Stratosfear, not thinking whether it does fit sonically or not.


    your re-arrangements os bonus has me wondering (in a good way ), because the UT single was always linked to Centauri (this was a Froese decision, I think) album, but I've never heard of never heard of Ossiachensee 6/71 (or heard at all)

    What does it sound like? Anything close to AC (it's still very close to my fave TD album)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    your re-arrangements os bonus has me wondering (in a good way ), because the UT single was always linked to Centauri (this was a Froese decision, I think) album, but I've never heard of never heard of Ossiachensee 6/71 (or heard at all)

    What does it sound like? Anything close to AC (it's still very close to my fave TD album)
    - "Ultima Thule" was the first thing they recorded with Peter Baumann (2/72), so to me it fits better with "Zeit" (the first album with Baumann) than "AC".
    - the Ossiach recording (just one 8-minute track, "Oszillator Planet Concert") also features Baumann so it could arguably be linked to "Zeit" too, but it's from a full year before so... Very abstract, minimal stuff.
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    ^thx

    I guess the UT single was displaced onto AC because adding it to Zeit would've overpassed the !ŗ-mins to keep it a single disc

    BTW: what are these tracks in the bonus CD from 2011 remaster of Zeit:
    1. Klangwald (Part One) (Live) (37:27)
    2. Klangwald (Part Two) (Live) (40:41)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    ^thx

    I guess the UT single was displaced onto AC because adding it to Zeit would've overpassed the !ŗ-mins to keep it a single disc

    BTW: what are these tracks in the bonus CD from 2011 remaster of Zeit:
    1. Klangwald (Part One) (Live) (37:27)
    2. Klangwald (Part Two) (Live) (40:41)
    Oh, I forgot to mention them. I included them on "Atem". Recorded 11/72 (live in Cologne), and "Atem" recorded 12/72-1/73 so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    What I think Wilson did was more or less work chronologically, since Coventry was done after Ricochet's release, therefore he put it on Stratosfear, not thinking whether it does fit sonically or not.
    I doubt Wilson had anything to do with what bonus material got placed on what disc. Is there a credit to that effect in the box?

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