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    Tangerine Dream - The Wilson remixes

    Looks like SW has been busy remixing Tangerine Dreams:

    "Iím turning down more than I would have done, maybe two or three years ago. I just havenít got the time. But do you know what? If the right project comes along, Iíll make the time. Iíve just finished work a few months ago on a massive box set for Tangerine Dream and theyíre one of my favourite bands of all time, so that was a real labour of love." (Superdeluxeedtion interview)

    Apparently he posted an instagram saying he had the master tapes for Phaedra in his hands.....

    Box set of the Virgin Years albums perhaps?

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    Early Virgin Years, hopefully... Hoping we get to hear more of those fabled 70 hours of live recordings supposedly used to compile "Ricochet"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valen View Post
    Looks like SW has been busy remixing Tangerine Dreams:

    "I’m turning down more than I would have done, maybe two or three years ago. I just haven’t got the time. But do you know what? If the right project comes along, I’ll make the time. I’ve just finished work a few months ago on a massive box set for Tangerine Dream and they’re one of my favourite bands of all time, so that was a real labour of love." (Superdeluxeedtion interview)

    Apparently he posted an instagram saying he had the master tapes for Phaedra in his hands.....

    Box set of the Virgin Years albums perhaps?
    When I saw the title I thought it was going to be a joke thread. It's early in the morning so I figured I'd bite and take a look. Well it's serious. Since Edgar Froese had already remixed, remastered a large portion of the catalog, I'm cautiously optimistic. It would take a bunch of previously unreleased music to get into my wallet. Thanks for the info.

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    If memory serves, Wilson has said more than once that Zeit is one of his all-time favorite albums, if not THE all-time favorite.

    If the albums are un-remixed (i.e. Froese's endless ROMpler pads smothered all over the albums are discarded), might be worth sampling here and there.
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    I had to think carefully about the thread title - don't want to be winding folk up - and I wouldn't have posted if it hadn't been for the evidence in the interview.

    If SW has got the Phaedra masters then I would surmise it's the Virgin era, rather than the Ohm era - I'm not sure what the legalities would involve to have a box set incorporating releases currently licenced by two labels.

    I suppose the other question which hadn't occurred until the posts above, is what is it a box set of? I'd assumed the other Virgin albums, given the description "massive". But perhaps it's the Phaedra album plus out-takes?

    Whatever the album, I'd be very surprised if it's anything other than remixing the original source tapes, before EF started tangentizing them in the 90s.

    Personally I don't find anything to fault with the current versions - The Definitive Editions? - but I've read over the years that fans have been clamouring for proper remastering, so perhaps this will go someway to rewarding their patience, especially if 5.1 versions are included as sweeteners.

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    Surround mixes for any of the early albums would be welcome (if memory serves, there was an SACD of Rubycon at some point but that's it).

    Decent remasters would be fine. I'm not 100% convinced that Wilson is the man for the job (personal bias).

    Bonus material would be neat, although so much from that era has already shown up via the Tangerine Tree. For me personally it would need to be more than just repackaged bootleg recordings.

    (edit: I stand corrected...there was an SACD but it was stereo only, not surround. My bad)
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Bonus material would be neat, although so much from that era has already shown up via the Tangerine Tree.
    I, too, think that everything has come out via the T Tree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post

    Decent remasters would be fine. I'm not 100% convinced that Wilson is the man for the job (personal bias).
    As Wilson dont do remastering, you are correct!

    Only remixing, and if it will be like other remixing projects from him,
    we will get surround mixes, stereo remix and flat transfers of original masters!

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    Quote Originally Posted by olivetti View Post
    As Wilson dont do remastering, you are correct!

    Only remixing, and if it will be like other remixing projects from him,
    we will get surround mixes, stereo remix and flat transfers of original masters!
    Yes, I know he generally does remixing, not remastering.

    And my statement still stands: I personally am not convinced he is the man for the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post

    And my statement still stands: I personally am not convinced he is the man for the job.
    Who do you think would be the man for this job??
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    Honestly, I don't know. For me personally, the last few Wilson remixes I heard (Yes Relayer and *especially* Marillion's Brave) left me underwhelmed and fairly disappointed with the final results.

    It's also possible (probable?) that, in this case I'm simply too attached to the source material to consider it objectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    I, too, think that everything has come out via the T Tree.
    Was there ANYTHING in that which came from professionally-made recordings ? I remember reading at some point that Chris Franke had been holding on to a vast cache of such recordings which, because of that, were not accessible to TD for official release. As far as I know, none of the tapes used to compile "Ricochet" have ever been published - the Fairfield Halls concert is an audience recording, and so are the others from this era... Unless I'm mistaken.
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    You aren't mistaken...but unless Chris Franke and Froese's widow have reached some sort of agreement, I would not expect those tapes to be part of these plans.

    In some sort of fantasy parallel universe, Franke would turn those tapes over to Klaus Mueller and let him organize things into some sort of archival release(s). IMHO his work on Schulze's unreleased material was spectacular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Was there ANYTHING in that which came from professionally-made recordings ?
    TYou are correct that the main stuff was radio broadcasts at best ( a few) and audience tapes at worst.

    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    I remember reading at some point that Chris Franke had been holding on to a vast cache of such recordings which, because of that, were not accessible to TD for official release. As far as I know, none of the tapes used to compile "Ricochet" have ever been published...
    Well, you know how bands are.....

    and YES, K.D. Mueller did a fabulous job with Schulze's recordings.
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    How about the first 10 tracks from the Dream Roots Collection where all the 1995 synth washes go to the rear channels?

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    As far as Rubycon, Stratosfear, Force Majeure and nearly everything that the Froese-Franke-Schmoelling line-up recorded, I don't think any of that needs remixing. If he wants to see what he can do with Phaedra and Atem and the earlier records, that might be worth it. But I've paid for these albums many times over already.

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    BMG has the Ohr recordings, and Universal has the Virgin era?
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    I'm interested. Please keep us posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dropforge View Post
    As far as Rubycon, Stratosfear, Force Majeure and nearly everything that the Froese-Franke-Schmoelling line-up recorded, I don't think any of that needs remixing. If he wants to see what he can do with Phaedra and Atem and the earlier records, that might be worth it. But I've paid for these albums many times over already.
    I'd love to have Zeit...Tangram in 5.1. Maybe Atem and Alpha Centauri, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropforge View Post
    As far as Rubycon, Stratosfear, Force Majeure and nearly everything that the Froese-Franke-Schmoelling line-up recorded, I don't think any of that needs remixing. If he wants to see what he can do with Phaedra and Atem and the earlier records, that might be worth it. But I've paid for these albums many times over already.
    The main reason for mr. Wilsons remixing of these albums, is the surround mix.
    It's not like he remixing them because they need remixing!
    The stereo remix is just a bonus we get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave (in MA) View Post
    I'd love to have Zeit...Tangram in 5.1. Maybe Atem and Alpha Centauri, too.
    Tangram, I could see being a possibility, but somehow, I'm thinking the multi-track tapes for the Ohr era albums, assuming they were recorded on multi-track in the first place, are unlikely to be extant.

    In the Tangents boxset liner notes, it's mentioned that for some of the albums, they record reams and reams of tape, the three of them sitting in the studio, just improvising, or elaborating on whatever pre-arranged themes they had. Would like to know if there's, let's say, any unheard material from the Phaedra or Rubycon sessions.

    Live stuff would interest me too, especially if there's anything from '75 and earlier, in existence, or if there's stuff from '77 that we haven't heard (or, possibly a version of the Montreal Place Des Arts show that doesn't have the station ID's in the middle of the music).

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    As I mentioned above, it looks like Phaedra will be one of the albums: here's the proof

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BeBcRTVA3ax/

    Here's the Steve Hoffman thread where I picked up on this:
    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread....747144/page-2

    And you'll notice the following comment:

    "I believe an announcement is imminent. I am sworn to secrecy, having been involved in a small way with this thing, but I can guarantee that it will be the real deal.
    Finally something to knock the spots off of every other reissue, and the retrospective TD deserve
    ."

    The word retrospective suggests it's going to be a range of albums, rather than one album plus bonus material.

    So now you know everything I do.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by olivetti View Post
    The main reason for mr. Wilsons remixing of these albums, is the surround mix.
    It's not like he remixing them because they need remixing!
    The stereo remix is just a bonus we get.
    +1. Getting the original mix in HighRez is very enticing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olivetti View Post
    As Wilson dont do remastering, you are correct!

    Only remixing, and if it will be like other remixing projects from him,
    we will get surround mixes, stereo remix and flat transfers of original masters!
    From what I understand Steve asks his new mixes to be mastered flat - which in a way is kind of a remaster imho... well compared to other versions that do get the treatment...

    That said yeah - all the new versions with new patches/instruments etc were not to my liking - the worst imho was the version of Monolight in the box set from the 90s - Sounds like Edgar took the first part with the pretty melody and made it sound like he asked John Tesh to make a version using only a Korg M1...

    If we could put those in the dustbin, it would be fantastic...

    I know that some artists feel like they have the right to do that - we also have the right to reject it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by vmartell View Post
    From what I understand Steve asks his new mixes to be mastered flat - which in a way is kind of a remaster imho...


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    Q:
    I’ve spoken with many an artist who’s said, “I turned in my final approved master, and what I got back on the back end is not what I heard in studio at all.” You’ve taken control of the mastering stage yourself and you don’t have to give anyone instructions about what to do anymore, right?
    Wilson: The simple answer is I don’t have any of my work mastered. It goes straight from my mixes — flat transfers onto the disc. And that applies to the mixes I do for the Yes reissues, the XTC reissues, the Jethro Tull reissues, and of course my own work too. And it’s amazing how many of the musicians I speak to, when I say to them, “I don’t want this mastered” — they’re initially shocked. But then they understand. Why would you need this mastered? You’ve approved the masters and you think the mixes sound great, so why would you not just release them as they are?
    Now, I’m not saying that’s right for everyone, because some people need or want that extra pair of ears to check what they’ve done. But I’m at the stage now where I’m 100 percent confident that what I produce out of my studio is exactly the way I want people to hear it. I actually bypass mastering completely now."

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