2 Camel records that I do not own. And 2 albums I've never heard a single note from . Do u prefer 1 or the other or both. Sell it to me[emoji4]
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2 Camel records that I do not own. And 2 albums I've never heard a single note from . Do u prefer 1 or the other or both. Sell it to me[emoji4]
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Both very good, but D & D is the far better of the two, and is a concept album based on Steinbeck's "The Grapes Of Wrath". "Rose of Sharon" from D & D got AOR FM radio play.
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Dust and Dreams was Camel's latest period comeback record after a long hiatus and I consider it as their best and most emotionally loaded post-1990 records. Harbour of Tears isn't too bad but I'm not a fan of Irish-flavored music. The followers Rajaz is usually very highly rated but I find it rather bland and uninspiring. The latest (to this day) A Nod And A Wing was well received too but is only an average song-oriented Camel record (including a couple of really awful songs), not essential.
The one to get is definitively Dust
Last edited by Mr.Krautman; 09-14-2018 at 10:45 PM.
Interesting.......I will take the opposite view. I love "Harbour Of Tears" in fact it is one of my all time favorite Camel albums.
I 'm a huge l Camel fan
Both albums are excellent IMO
These albums are like choosing your kids. IMO
Though Harbour of Tears stands out better!....
My least favorite Camel albums although they both have their moments.
D&D is probably the better of the two but it suffers a bit from overproduction. A typical result of soneone who spend way too much time alone in the studio. A lot less layers of keyboards with a more live band and it could have been a good album.
I'm a casual fan. I like Latimer's playing, but just can't usually get into their vocals. But these two albums are both fantastic. Love 'em both.
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Harbour Of Tears is my preferred Camel album since Moonmadness.
Dust and Dreams is the best Camel release since Moonmadness. Its excellent and a must have for any Camel fan. I'm not much of a fan of Harbour. It just doesn't have the musical highlights.
Both are mature, beautiful works. Track down the full performance of HoT featuring Poland's Quidam.
I don't like either one and I feel both are bottom of the barrel of the whole Camel catalogue. Boring songs with very weak production values.
But album that came after of those, Rajaz, was great! I really love that one.
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Dust and Dreams is a plodder, and probably the worst of their 90s and beyond work. Harbour of Tears isn't a masterpiece, but it's good, and easily the better of these two. Could have done without the waves run-out though.
Dust and Dreams is my favorite; the live version of Harbor of Tears is probably better than the studio version. --Peter
Just want to mention that Harbor of Tears, IMO, isn’t really “Irish” sounding music. Yes the album is about Irish immigrants but the music is pretty much latter-day Camel as opposed to Irish music.
I disagree. While the album isn't one of strictly Celtic or Irish music per se, Latimer certainly incorporates elements of that traditional music and gives it that sound and flavor at times, including right off the bat in Irish Air which is based upon a traditional Gaelic folk tune, and that certainly is purposeful.
Last edited by DocProgger; 09-16-2018 at 10:42 AM.
Harbour of Tears is a personal favorite of mine. Loved it when it came out, and still play it every St. Patrick's Day! It will remain a yearly tradition. Yes, being part Irish adds to it's attraction for me. The live performance of the album is even better (Coming of Age - DVD/CD).
Dust & Dreams is still worth owning as well. But, I am a huge Camel fan, and have been for a long, long time. They were the main reason why I finally went to NEARfest, back in 2003. Still have amazing memories of that show.
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It is interesting how these albums have elicited such a broad range of opinion. I'd rate D&D the better of the two, but not by a lot. I'd also rank it ahead of Stationary Traveller and maybe slightly better than The Single Factor (although they are very different sounding albums.) I'm a lifelong Californian so I relate better to the D&D subject matter, although I can understand how an Irish person -- or a person with Irish roots -- would gravitate more toward Harbour of Tears. They are both classic "concept albums" so YMMV depending on your feelings about the subject matter.
On the technical side, as mentioned above, D&D suffers from a bit too much symphonic padding and "one-man-band-alone-in-the-studio" (it's such a shame Andy and Peter never collaborated again during this period -- they were both very active), although the melodies and overall song-craft are both good IMO. That goes for both albums, although again I'll give the nod to D&D. I know someone who used music from it for his wedding!
Oh, and the live shows were fantastic (chronicled on the Never Let Go set.) It's a shame Mickey Simmonds didn't stick around but Andy and Camel was very much a cottage industry deal at the time with long gaps between activity.
I'm holding out for the Wilson-mixed 5.1 super-duper walletbuster special anniversary extra adjectives edition.
It's difficult for me to choose, so I won't. I love them both. Two of my favourite Camel albums. Simply Brilliant!
I sold my copy of D&D, it seemed like one endless guitar solo, I prefer HoT but rarely play it these days but then my fave Camel album is Breathless.
The full live performance on the Never Let Go album was my first hearing of Dust and Dreams. I think it is a great performance.
I got the studio albums of D&D and HoT much later. I prefer the studio version of Rose of Sharon, it surprised me hearing Mae McKenna’s vocals, anyone know what else she has been on besides these 2 Camel albums?
Last edited by Wah3; 09-16-2018 at 03:59 PM.
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