Well, since it was his own comments he was referencing, maybe Buddhabreath will answer you. We know you don't really like any "pop" music that came out in the 60s or 70s, or think it's good enough, or whatever.Originally Posted by Facelift
RE: Drake, my son, 19, HATES Drake, and dislikes that whole "Trap" genre and thinks of it as being for people with no real musical taste.*
*This post does not endorse musical snobbery in any form.
Cobra handling and cocaine use are a bad mix.
Blackstar is a good pick too, although I suppose one could dispute that one because it is a legacy artist rather than someone new making a musical masterwork. But, still pretty well acclaimed
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I’m sure Facelift would argue with its being a “masterpiece.”Blackstar is a good pick too, although I suppose one could dispute that one because it is a legacy artist rather than someone new making a musical masterwork. But, still pretty well acclaimed
Almost as shocking as discovering that water is wet, fire burns if you touch it.
That said...IMHO that's kind of the "gotcha" to the original query. I personally would label something a masterpiece only in retrospect, after being able to consider the work against a longer period of time (especially if we want to see how much influence something had). How many times have we read about some work (music, art, film, books, whatever) that was initially met with mixed responses, only to in retrospect be regarded as one of the greats "of its time?" Right off the bat, I'm thinking about "Bitches Brew" but there are many, many others.
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mainstream masterpiece.... isn't that an oxymoron?
how about... The Call by Neal Morse Band
You'll probably have a hard time finding much support for Neal Morse.
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... I was referencing my own comments that were not taken well by the Drake-loving individual. I basically thought Drake was poo-poo. Your sonny boy sounds like a smart cookie JK!
Radiohead - A Moon Shaped Pool
Masterpiece? One of Radiohead's best? Not sure. But it is good, topped charts, went gold etc so it did hit the mainstream.
Yeah, Radiohead was my thought, too...
No, that's what a classic album is.
A "musical masterpiece?" Rock music as a genre isn't responsible for any. That's not a knock against it, it's simply not what popular music is there for.
All music was popular at one time or another, so your assertion is nonsensical on its face. Kind of Blue was very popular in 1959 (as was jazz in general), in fact over the years the album has gone 4x platinum, but according to you it cannot be a masterpiece because it was popular. Your further assertion that rock music has not been responsible for any "masterpieces" because it was "popular music" is equally odd, considering rock was the primary method of musical expression for half of the 20th century.
But you've made such assertions previously. What in your estimation is a "masterpiece"? Give specific examples, and explain why you think they are masterpieces.
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Get ready for “? When did I say that? Do you really think I think there’s never been a musical masterpiece that’s been popular? That would be absurd!”
I wouldn’t expect any specific examples though.
Last edited by JKL2000; 07-13-2018 at 09:58 AM.
For me Bitches Brew is a masterpiece and purely on album sales it is arguably mainstream. In retrospect I don't think anyone will come up with an answer that will create a consensus to say the least. In fact IMO the question itself is suspect, but I thought it would be thought provoking nevertheless.
Blonde Frank Ocean
Moon Shaped Pool Radiohead
Blackstar David Bowie
Melodrama Lourde
Masseducation St. Vincent
Daytona Pusha T
Sleep Well Beast The National
To Pimp A Butterfly Kendrick Lamar
Currents Tame Impala
Carrie & Lowell Sufjan Stevens
The Epic Kamasi Washington
The above are as close to your description as I can think of...
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Didn't this album go mainstream?
And good call on Blackstar
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down.'- Bob Newhart
Tell him that his ADHD noggin can barely pay attention to a 5 second electronic greeting card tune, so no masterpiece will ever stay in his focus long enough to absorb. And that him and his friends are a nest of outstretched baby bird beaks bitching for pre-digested dumbed down dance ditties.
Or you could just bark "SONS OF APOLLO!"
Awesome.
First time I've listened to a track off To The Bone. I expected more regurgitated Pink Floydisms, but that was pretty good. Is it representative of the album as a whole?
"Popular music" is a style, not a condition of popularity. So of course there can musical masterpieces that are popular. Like Beethoven's 5th. But that's not "popular music."
In any event, the point of the thread was for suggestions, not a debate about the validity of the query, so - to respect the original post - if you want to disagree with me you should start your own thread about it.
I gotta say, that's some fine illiteration there.
WTF? I've never heard "Popular music" used to denote a style of music. When did "Popular music" have its beginning, according to you? Can you give us a list of "Popular music" pieces? Doesn't have to be a lot. I just want to get an idea of what this one style of music sounds like.
Britannica.com completely disagrees with you, of course:
Popular music, any commercially oriented music principally intended to be received and appreciated by a wide audience, generally in literate, technologically advanced societies dominated by urban culture. Unlike traditional folk music, popular music is written by known individuals, usually professionals, and does not evolve through the process of oral transmission. Historically, popular music was any nonfolk form that acquired mass popularity—from the songs of the medieval minstrels and troubadours to those elements of fine-art music originally intended for a small, elite audience but that became widely popular. After the Industrial Revolution, true folk music began to disappear, and the popular music of the Victorian era and the early 20th century was that of the music hall and vaudeville, with its upper reaches dominated by waltz music and operettas. In the United States, minstrel shows performed the compositions of songwriters such as Stephen Foster. In the 1890s Tin Pan Alley emerged as the first popular song-publishing industry, and over the next half century its lyricism was combined with European operetta in a new kind of play known as the musical. Beginning with ragtime in the 1890s, African Americans began combining complex African rhythms with European harmonic structures, a synthesis that would eventually create jazz. Music audiences greatly expanded, partly because of technology. By 1930, phonograph records had replaced sheet music as the chief source of music in the home. The microphone enabled more-intimate vocal techniques to be commercially adapted. The ability of radio broadcasting to reach rural communities aided the dissemination of new styles, notably country music. American popular music achieved international dominance in the decades after World War II. By the 1950s the migration of African Americans to cities in the North had resulted in the cross-fertilization of elements of blues with the up-tempo rhythms of jazz to create rhythm and blues. Rock and roll, pioneered by figures such as Elvis Presley, soon developed as an amalgam of rhythm and blues with country music and other influences (see rock music). In the 1960s British rock groups, including the Beatles, became internationally influential and popular. Rock and soul music (especially the sophisticated but hook-laden variety of the latter, which took its name from the company that created it, Motown) quickly attracted the allegiance of Western teenagers and eventually became the sound track for young people throughout the world. The history of pop into the 21st century has basically been that of rock and its variants, including disco, heavy metal, funk, punk, hip-hop, and increasingly pop-oriented world music.
Last edited by JKL2000; 07-13-2018 at 03:28 PM.
LOL. That's another great tactic. We're not allowed to disagree with you in this thread. I'm sure Buddhabreath doesn't mind.
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