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    Quote Originally Posted by hippypants View Post
    The Ruins--a horror flick was on TV the other night, it was okay for a watch.

    The Steel Helmet--saw it over Memorial Day about the Korean war, but Sam Fuller. I'd never seen it and it's worthwhile.

    Kelly's Heroes--I'd seen it at the cinema back in the day. It's entertaining, but a bit too long. Sort of serious & sort of uneven with Suterland's character, Oddball, but I guess that comic relief.
    Telly Savalas makes Kelly's Heroes fun. Do you know he was in Cape Fear? Rather dynamic actor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic2012 View Post
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    The whole minefield scene in Kelly's Heroes is misplaced. This is essentially a heist film and they put this utterly serious war drama scene smack in the middle of it. It ruins the momentum of the film and it takes a while to regain its footing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post
    Us (2019). The horror movie from Jordan Peele that stars Lupita Nyong'o. After Get Out, which I thought was really good if over-hyped, I had high hopes for this. My hopes were dashed. IMO, a major plot point required too much suspension of disbelief. Still, I liked the ending. So, it's got that going for it.
    I had the opposite reaction. I really liked the film up until the ending which required too much suspension of disbelief for me. Still, the film kept me totally into it up to that point and it is one that I kept thinking about a long time afterwards. The acting is outstanding, especially by the lead actress (her name is escaping me at the moment).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    The whole minefield scene in Kelly's Heroes is misplaced. This is essentially a heist film and they put this utterly serious war drama scene smack in the middle of it. It ruins the momentum of the film and it takes a while to regain its footing.
    You must not like MASH for the same reason?

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    No, M*A*S*H did a better job of combining humor and drama. It's a tricky formula and hard to pull off. M*A*S*H was a satire and that somehow helps. Like I said, Kelly is basically a heist movie. I love heist movies but if you want to veer into the serious within it you have to have a really fine balance. That mine scene came out of nowhere. If they had interspersed a few more scenes like it in the movie it might have been more balanced. I love Kelly, I've seen it numerous times and own the DVD. But I insist that the mine field was something they should have never attempted. More Oddball and Moriarty, less landmines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    No, M*A*S*H did a better job of combining humor and drama. It's a tricky formula and hard to pull off. M*A*S*H was a satire and that somehow helps. Like I said, Kelly is basically a heist movie. I love heist movies but if you want to veer into the serious within it you have to have a really fine balance. That mine scene came out of nowhere. If they had interspersed a few more scenes like it in the movie it might have been more balanced. I love Kelly, I've seen it numerous times and own the DVD. But I insist that the mine field was something they should have never attempted. More Oddball and Moriarty, less landmines.
    I havnt seen KH in awhile. I really like the film , never was bothered bothered by the mine scene. Next time I view , this being a good reason to seek it out , I'll pay attention. If you ruin my enjoyment I will never forgive you

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    If you ruin my enjoyment I will never forgive you
    Just remember that for the most part, the events of Raiders Of The Lost Ark would have unfolded exactly the same, whether or not Indiana Jones had been there to interfere. The Nazis would have found the Ark, Belloq and Toht would have insisted on opening the Ark, and they'd and they're entire cadre of idiots would have been destroyed by the Ark.

    The only Indy really does is:

    a. saves Marion Ravenwood's life (one suspects that Toht and his henchmen would have almost certainly killed her, probably raping before and/or afterwards, then setting fire to the bar to cover their tracks)

    and

    b. making sure the Ark is put in the hands of the American government and deposited into a warehouse someplace where it can't "fall into the wrong hands" (though one might argument that the American government is "the wrong hands").

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    Just remember that for the most part, the events of Raiders Of The Lost Ark would have unfolded exactly the same, whether or not Indiana Jones had been there to interfere. The Nazis would have found the Ark, Belloq and Toht would have insisted on opening the Ark, and they'd and they're entire cadre of idiots would have been destroyed by the Ark.
    That's pretty much true, and I've seen that argument before. But it's one of the reasons I love that movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    The only Indy really does is:

    a. saves Marion Ravenwood's life
    ...which would never have been in danger if he hadn't been involved in the first place...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    No, M*A*S*H did a better job of combining humor and drama. It's a tricky formula and hard to pull off. M*A*S*H was a satire and that somehow helps. Like I said, Kelly is basically a heist movie. I love heist movies but if you want to veer into the serious within it you have to have a really fine balance. That mine scene came out of nowhere. If they had interspersed a few more scenes like it in the movie it might have been more balanced. I love Kelly, I've seen it numerous times and own the DVD. But I insist that the mine field was something they should have never attempted. More Oddball and Moriarty, less landmines.
    I don't think a lighthearted movie having a serious scene or two should be an issue.

    I see many people complain that certain movies have both light and dark scenes and come to the conclusion that the "tone of the movie is uneven" or "it cant decide what it wants to be". ie, it has to be one or the other.

    I have never understood this...why cant movies have elements of both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturgeon's Lawyer View Post
    ...which would never have been in danger if he hadn't been involved in the first place...
    Wouldn't the Gestapo have come for the Ra staff headpiece Marion had with or without Indy?
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    The best bit of Indy is the confrontation with the swordsman in the marketplace. Apparently Spielberg was coming up with all sorts of ways that he'd fight Indy. Harrison Ford had been sick for a few days and bone-tired. He said, "how about I just shoot the fucker?" And it worked. We saw it in the theater the week after its release and packed theater went absolutely nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Mail View Post
    I don't think a lighthearted movie having a serious scene or two should be an issue.

    I see many people complain that certain movies have both light and dark scenes and come to the conclusion that the "tone of the movie is uneven" or "it cant decide what it wants to be". ie, it has to be one or the other.

    I have never understood this...why cant movies have elements of both?
    They can, and many do. Which is not to say they don't always work. I actually liked the minefield scene and found it pretty intense, bringing the movie back to being more about war, adding some needed action to the film and yet being poignant too.
    Actually I preferred that over some of the Sutherland snippets of being some crazy dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    Just remember that for the most part, the events of Raiders Of The Lost Ark would have unfolded exactly the same, whether or not Indiana Jones had been there to interfere. The Nazis would have found the Ark, Belloq and Toht would have insisted on opening the Ark, and they'd and they're entire cadre of idiots would have been destroyed by the Ark.

    The only Indy really does is:

    a. saves Marion Ravenwood's life (one suspects that Toht and his henchmen would have almost certainly killed her, probably raping before and/or afterwards, then setting fire to the bar to cover their tracks)

    and

    b. making sure the Ark is put in the hands of the American government and deposited into a warehouse someplace where it can't "fall into the wrong hands" (though one might argument that the American government is "the wrong hands").
    Cool. Dissecting to oblivion.

    In that case, Raiders of The Lost Ark should have been centered around the teachings of Professor Jones in his college setting. That would have been THE kickass adventure summer film of 1981!!! See Professor Jones dodging staples and misguided paper clips lobbed from disgruntled students! Witness death-defying acrobatics as Henry Jones Jr. scales the massive 18.2 foot wall of encyclopedia Britannicas, Volumes 6-20, 29-41!!! You'll be on the edge of your seat in the climactic final scene as Dr. Jones battles the evil Dean of Students after Jones uncovers a memo proclaiming all rubber cement will have to be purchased by Professors and not provided by the University!!!! Raiders of The Lost Ark: The College Years opens June 12, 1981.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gruno View Post
    Cool. Dissecting to oblivion.
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    Does that mean we get to see more of the young woman flirting with Dr. Jones in class?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    Does that mean we get to see more of the young woman flirting with Dr. Jones in class?


    She has a more prominent role in the sequel, Professor Jones and The Dewey Decimal System

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    Quote Originally Posted by aith01 View Post
    That's pretty much true, and I've seen that argument before. But it's one of the reasons I love that movie.
    For the record, the "Indy didn't really change the outcome of Raiders Of The Lost Ark" is a plot point of an episode of The Big Bang Theory. Sheldon shows the movie to Amy, who has never seen it before. At the end, she basically explains that the movie's plot would have unfolded the same without Indy's presence, thus "ruining the movie" for Sheldon.

    Subsequently, the guys try to prove that isn't true. I forget who it is who says "But the Nazis were digging in the wrong place", but then it's explained that was only because of Indy's intercession at the bar (they were digging in the wrong place because they only had the side of the headpiece that was burned into Toht's hand). Sheldon then sets about to ruin something that Amy loves, with comically unsuccessful results.

    Whether anyone was actually talking about this before the Big Bang Theory episode, I have no idea.



    ..which would never have been in danger if he hadn't been involved in the first place...
    Marion's life was in danger because she owned the headpiece to the Staff Of Ra, having been given to her by her father, Professor Ravenwood. The Nazis would have figured out one way or another that she might know where the headpiece was, and as such, would have surely tortured her to get that information. Actually, they might not have had to torture her much, given that's she's wearing it around her neck. But I reckon they'd have raped and murdered her (not necessarily in that order) if Indy hadn't been there.


    "it cant decide what it wants to be".
    The only time I feel that way is when I'm watching something like Tintorrera, which is setup like it's a Jaws knock off, but half it plays like the script was based on a Harlequin romance novel. That was a movie that really didn't know what it wanted to be.
    Apparently Spielberg was coming up with all sorts of ways that he'd fight Indy. Harrison Ford had been sick for a few days and bone-tired. He said, "how about I just shoot the fucker?"
    Yeah, I guess there was supposed to be an elaborate process of Indy disarming the swordsman. Ford, I think, said he had food poisoning or something, but yeah, he just didn't feel like doing what was scripted. But as you say, he asked if he couldn't just shoot the guy. Steven thought for a few seconds, and then said, "Yeah, that'll work!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    The best bit of Indy is the confrontation with the swordsman in the marketplace. Apparently Spielberg was coming up with all sorts of ways that he'd fight Indy. Harrison Ford had been sick for a few days and bone-tired. He said, "how about I just shoot the fucker?" And it worked. We saw it in the theater the week after its release and packed theater went absolutely nuts.

    Funny thing to me, they played off of that gimmick in Temple of Doom, which actually takes place before Raiders.

    My wife watched the trilogy for the first time with me over the past couple of weeks, and she really dug them. But that joke was lost on her because I had her watch Temple first, then Raiders and Last Crusade.

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    Funny thing to me, they played off of that gimmick in Temple of Doom, which actually takes place before Raiders.
    I'd have to see Temple Of Doom again, I haven't seen it over 30 yras. The main thing I remember is the gag where Kate Capshaw won't eat anything because she finds everything the natives eat to be unappetizing, and the scene where the main baddie reaches into the guy's chest and pulls his heart out. Oh, and the minecar "rollercoaster" chase.

    I remember seeing a "making of" featurette on TV at the time, and Harrison Ford is shown explaining that the movie takes place 3 years before the first one, and it's been two years since they made the first one. Therefore, he reckoned he was five years too old to be doing all the stuff he had to do in that one, or something like that. One assumes he was being facetious but he delivers the comment in such a deadpan way, you might miss the humor.

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