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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post
    I agree but I also understand the desire for it. Usually, it's women who get it because Hollywood, in typical double standard fashion, does not like older women and they feel they need it to keep from looking old. That said, it appears to me, based on the finished product, that most plastic surgeons are horrible at their job.


    It's not so much to look younger but to counteract the effects of aging. And you're right, they don't look like they used to. I think the worst case was Cher. She was such a beautiful woman and now she's Frankencher.

    But really what it boils down to is their self esteem, their support system, and the press. Anyone who thinks they need PS already has a problem but someone in their circle needs to convince them they need to get into therapy and to learn to ignore press about their appearance. Of course, most celebrities are celebrities in the first place because of some self image or mental health issue.

    What they so often fail to realize is that what makes a person interesting and/or beautiful is their imperfections. WhoTF wants to look like a mannequin? It's also why I applaud Sharon Stone, who appears to be aging gracefully. The funny thing is, to me most women get better looking when they get into their 40s and beyond. I think SS is as beautiful, or more so, than she ever was.
    As much as I also dislike it, I understand some actors, musicians and people in the public eye whose image is effectively a selling point, perhaps even iconic having work done.

    Best example is Joan Collins. She has a specific image that she has maintained since the sixties...it never, ever varies. That's how people expect her to look. It's her bread and butter.

    And the minute she alters it in any way she jeopardises her income, as her popularity may wane. She is who she is.

    But the problem is the older you get the harder it is to maintain that image, the more time it takes, and the more expensive make up and treatments etc are.

    Therefore plastic surgery is basically the only way to maintain the image, even if it looks false as hell.

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    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    I remember back in the 90's, I saw a thing on TV about a woman who died after one of her fake boobs ruptured. The thing was, the husband tried to talk her out of doing it. It was one of those self esteem things, again, and the husband was like, "No, you don't need to do that, you'll look great as you are". But she did it anyway, and it ended up killing her.
    Now that's a shame.

    I don't know if you heard but there's new evidence that the textured implants increase the risk of breast cancer.

    This is OT, but it reminds me of a guy who used to have a radio show in Cincinnati. His name is Gary Burbank and he used to do different characters, one of which was Gilbert Gnarley who was a confused old man who lived in the St Pia Zadora Golden Buckeye Retirement Community (you may remember Pia Zadora as a horrible actress back in the '80s). As Gilbert, Burbank would make prank phone calls and he'd call anyone. He called the FBI, the CIA, Rush Limbaugh, Proctor & Gamble, the John Birch Society, and even the White House.

    One of his better bits was shortly after a breast implant recall when he tried to get a conference call going between Dow Corning and Mattel. His idea was for Dow to sell their unsold breast implants to Mattel to use as Barbie bean bag chairs. The reactions of the woman at Mattel were so funny.

    The best bit I heard, tho, was when he called Johnson & Johnson to talk to them about their product, Kentucky jelly. He said he liked the consistency and loved the squeeze tube but felt the flavor was rather bland for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. The woman he was talking to finally caught on that what he was referring to was K-Y Jelly; the joke being KY is the abbreviation for Kentucky. When she informed him that it was a personal lubricant he asked if it was harmful. She asked how long he'd been eating it. I think he said he was on his 3rd or 4th tube. He then asked if it was harmful and she said no, that it was water based but that it's not considered a food. From what I remember, he seemed reluctant to stop eating it and she had to emphatically reiterate that it was not intended to be eaten. Her initial confusion and then her reactions when she caught on were hilarious.

    To bring it back on topic, he was in 7 Below, that co-starred Ving Rhames.
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    Body Double I'm not a huge Brian De Palma fan, although he's watchable. He's influenced by Hitchcock, which can be a good and bad thing as in Body Double, which is a combination of Vertigo (rather than have a phobia of heights, the main character has claustrophobia), and like Rear Window is also a voyeur. He witnesses a murder while looking at a sexy woman in the house across from the one he's staying in, she gets killed, and he tries solving the mystery. Throw a plot line in about the porn industry and you have it. It's dated, but interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippypants View Post
    Body Double I'm not a huge Brian De Palma fan, although he's watchable. He's influenced by Hitchcock, which can be a good and bad thing as in Body Double, which is a combination of Vertigo (rather than have a phobia of heights, the main character has claustrophobia), and like Rear Window is also a voyeur. He witnesses a murder while looking at a sexy woman in the house across from the one he's staying in, she gets killed, and he tries solving the mystery. Throw a plot line in about the porn industry and you have it. It's dated, but interesting.
    Always really liked that movie, particularly the young Melanie Griffith as porn queen Holly Body.

    The male lead in that film, Craig Wasson, has disappeared so well that he must be in some witness protection program since he made that film in 1984.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    I wish these celebs (and anyone, for that matter) would just stop with the plastic surgery altogether. I've seen so much of it lately... my wife made a good point when we were watching a movie the other day that was set in the 18th century, and the actress had all this obvious 21st century work done on her face. It really took us out of it to see this rotting Jack O'Lantern head among all of the natural-looking women.
    Completely agree.

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    Phil Collins' wife Orianne is one of the worst examples I've seen lately. She was a pretty girl when they got together - now she looks like a stone lion head. Seriously, look her up - and she's only 45! I just don't understand how these people can think that looks better than just aging naturally like the rest of the world. Sure, you might go grey and get a few wrinkles, but I'll take that any day over the alternative.
    Sounds like what Barbra Steisand looks like now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post
    It's not so much to look younger but to counteract the effects of aging. And you're right, they don't look like they used to. I think the worst case was Cher. She was such a beautiful woman and now she's Frankencher.
    Cher looks ridiculous now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hippypants View Post
    Body Double I'm not a huge Brian De Palma fan, although he's watchable. He's influenced by Hitchcock, which can be a good and bad thing as in Body Double, which is a combination of Vertigo (rather than have a phobia of heights, the main character has claustrophobia), and like Rear Window is also a voyeur. He witnesses a murder while looking at a sexy woman in the house across from the one he's staying in, she gets killed, and he tries solving the mystery. Throw a plot line in about the porn industry and you have it. It's dated, but interesting.
    That's the one De Palma movie I have never felt the need to revisit, on any format.

    Not that I thought it was bad, more that it was very much of it's time and I can imagine it looking very dated now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by progeezer View Post
    Always really liked that movie, particularly the young Melanie Griffith as porn queen Holly Body.

    The male lead in that film, Craig Wasson, has disappeared so well that he must be in some witness protection program since he made that film in 1984.
    My wife ran into Craig Wasson in the 80s, in Disneyland (he was with a boy, maybe his son or nephew). Seemed like a nice guy. She recognized him from Ghost Story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    My wife ran into Craig Wasson in the 80s, in Disneyland (he was with a boy, maybe his son or nephew). Seemed like a nice guy. She recognized him from Ghost Story.
    Anyone ever see Fee Waybill and Craig Wasson at a party together??

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    There's a doc on Netflix called DePalma in which he discusses his movies and career. I enjoyed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burley Wright View Post
    There's a doc on Netflix called DePalma in which he discusses his movies and career. I enjoyed it.

    That was good!

    I always thought DePalma made great bad movies.

    I rewatched Blow Out last month and it looked beautiful but man was it bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burley Wright View Post
    There's a doc on Netflix called DePalma in which he discusses his movies and career. I enjoyed it.
    I also enjoyed it.

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    I don't mind DePalma's homage to Hitchcock. I've enjoyed many of his movies. Didn't he do the Untouchables? One of the best movies, ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mozo-pg View Post
    I don't mind DePalma's homage to Hitchcock. I've enjoyed many of his movies. Didn't he do the Untouchables? One of the best movies, ever.
    Yes, that was his. I had actually forgotten about many of the films featured in the documentary. A lot of people hate it, but I still love his remake of "Scarface".

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    I don't know if you heard but there's new evidence that the textured implants increase the risk of breast cancer.
    No I hadn't, but I imagine that, given the fact that the threat of cancer doesn't seem to deter people from smoking, it probably won't deter women who think they "need" them from getting breast implants.
    (you may remember Pia Zadora as a horrible actress back in the '80s).
    I actually remember her more as a singer, not because I ever heard her music, which I really didn't, but the local library had a couple of her albums back when they first started carrying CD's, I used to see them regularly when looking for stuff to borrow.

    The only movie I've actually seen her in, I think, was VOyage Of The Rock Aliens, of which I remember little, except that the VHS cover had a picture of her, with a guy, and the guy is holding a Roland G-303 guitar (I would remember something like that, wouldn't I? ).

    According to Wikipedia, one movie garnered her both a Golden Globe and two Golden Razzies! For the same performance!
    Body Double I'm not a huge Brian De Palma fan, although he's watchable. He's influenced by Hitchcock, which can be a good and bad thing as in Body Double, which is a combination of Vertigo (rather than have a phobia of heights, the main character has claustrophobia), and like Rear Window is also a voyeur. He witnesses a murder while looking at a sexy woman in the house across from the one he's staying in, she gets killed, and he tries solving the mystery. Throw a plot line in about the porn industry and you have it. It's dated, but interesting.
    I'm sure I've posted about Body Double at least once before, most recently when we were talking about remakes. And that's basically what Body Double is, it's a mashup of Vertigo and Rear Window. DePalma basically took the best bits of those two pictures, and made his own version of it, tossing a little bit of Frankie Goes To Hollywood for good measure.
    The male lead in that film, Craig Wasson, has disappeared so well that he must be in some witness protection program since he made that film in 1984.
    Wikipedia says he worked pretty steadily from 1977 to 2006. I forgot that he was in Ghost Story, which I haven't seen in ages. That was Fred Astaire's last picture, I believe (would you believe, it was the first Fred Astair picture I saw?).

    Edit: Wikipedia also informs me that Ghost Story was also Melvyn Douglas and Douglas Fairbanks Jr's last picture as well.

    And Craig Wasson was also in the third Nightmare On Elm Street movie, the one that had Patricia Arquette in it (as well as that wicked Dokken song) . He's also done a lot of TV, so I'm sure I've seen him on MASH, or Deep Space Nine or Murder She WRote or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosebone View Post
    That was good!

    I always thought DePalma made great bad movies.

    I rewatched Blow Out last month and it looked beautiful but man was it bad.
    Nah.. Blow Out is great. Sure its overblown and very silly in places, but very well made and an interesting plot...kind of a mashup of the Chappaquidick incident mixed with Antonioni's Blow Up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Mail View Post
    Nah.. Blow Out is great. Sure its overblown and very silly in places, but very well made and an interesting plot...kind of a mashup of the Chappaquidick incident mixed with Antonioni's Blow Up.
    And it's got John Travolta, and for a change he's not strutting around like he owns Brooklyn nor is he is singing.

    (Seriously, I used to know someone who grew up in Brooklyn, he said that if Travolta had really strutted around like he did in the opening of Saturday Night Fever, he'd have gotten his ass kicked)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mozo-pg View Post
    I don't mind DePalma's homage to Hitchcock. I've enjoyed many of his movies. Didn't he do the Untouchables? One of the best movies, ever.
    He also did the very good Snake Eyes with Nicholis Cage and Gary Sinise. Speaking of homages , Snake Eyes features a very long continuous shot , much like the beginning of Touch Of Evil , which meAnders through the casino setting up plot lines . But while Orson welles did an actual continuous many minute shot , Depalma cheats with editing. Its still an ambitious shot. But the Wells sequence is amazing. Those who haven't seen Touch Of Evil , should , its prime Wells .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Mail View Post
    Nah.. Blow Out is great.
    A great bad movie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post
    you may remember Pia Zadora as a horrible actress back in the '80s
    Actually, I have memories of her as a horrible actress back in the '60s. The only thing I've ever seen her in - with one exception - was Santa Claus Conquers the Martians (1964).

    The one exception was one Hallowe'en back in the '80s, when MTV still showed music videos. They had Cassandra "Elvira, Mistress of the Dark" Peterson doing a countdown of the scariest videos and this was her #1 choice:

    Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!

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    Pia Zadora's Golden Globe award win was infamous. Her sugar daddy/husband wined/dined/bribed the hell out of the Hollywood Foreign Press. She's also notorious for playing the title role in the stage play "Anne Frank" in a production in Los Angeles. Legend has it that in the third act, when stormtroopers march down the aisles toward the stage, someone yelled "she's in the attic"!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nycsteve View Post
    But the Wells sequence is amazing.
    Agreed. Directors have been paying homage to this very shot ever since. Altman's The Player comes to mind. There is a continuous shot during one of the episodes of True Detective that blows my mind as well. Hitchcock's Rope was amazing as he told the entire story in one shot (as if you just another guest at the dinner party), but he had to cheat as cans of film only contained approximately 10 minutes worth of shooting so he'd "cheat" and end the roll on someones back or whatever and pick up where that shot left off. But still, that's 10 minutes of continuous acting, cinematography, direction, lighting, etc. Quite the feat.
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    ^^ That True Detective shot at the biker's den is fantastic!

    But Scorceses nightclub thru the back door in Good Fellas is my all time favorite long tracking shots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mozo-pg View Post
    I don't mind DePalma's homage to Hitchcock. I've enjoyed many of his movies. Didn't he do the Untouchables? One of the best movies, ever.
    Yes, he did. I enjoyed that one too.

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    For continuous shots, two of my favorites are in Alfonso Cuarón's Children of Men.

    Damn, I remember that scene from True Detective. Riveting work, especially for TV.
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