The Frightening Lack of Yes Threads on this Board...

[battema]

OK, so Crimson are letting the side down in not escalating the Belew/Fripp spat, but I'd like to know in what universe Floyd has not been a clusterf*ck of drama and incredibly diminishing returns across the board. They've just done it much more slowly and sedately than Yes.

Henry

I'm actually glad you asked, because IMHO PF is an example of just about everything Yes is not:

• PF, at a pretty high point in their career financially speaking, had a SERIOUSLY public breakup and spat that continued for over a decade. Fans followed suit.
• About what, a bit over a decade ago? The members publicly reconciled at a Live 8 performance. Behind the scenes, they also clearly reached a better place, continuing to do small gestures back and forth (especially between Gilmour and Waters). There were even acknowledgements of shortcomings along the way.
• Since then...we've now found ourselves with three different bands featuring the core members of PF, each focused on a respective angle. All three are aware of each other and even support one another (again, not just lip service but actual guest appearances here and there). Said performances aren't being met with reviews amounting to "they just don't have it anymore" but rather indicate that all three do great justice to the material (for those shows I myself have witnessed, I think that is a true statement). Studio albums have been fewer but not invisible...and I'd easily argue that overall fan opinions of Rattle That Lock, Is This The Life or Endless River are nowhere near the level of negativity that a product like Heaven & Earth yielded.
• Now...some FANS continue to hold to the sides that came up during the rift. But they do so in contrast to the actions of the actual players.

If you want to deflect from the cluster that is Yes? Try throwing Ian Anderson under the bus...you probably could've used ELP who would still be bickering if the sad passing of 66% of the band didn't effectively end the spat.

I know they are your favorite band. And for a very, very long time I stayed pretty strongly as a fan (up through FFH and the first tour with Davidson) so I'm not some "Yes stopped being good after 1979" former fan long since off the boat. But no amount of thick-as-hell rose-tinted nostalgia lens can blur over the terrible mess with which they've chosen to end their career. It didn't have to be that way, and it is ALL on them.

IMHO.

[Proghound]

...But no amount of thick-as-hell rose-tinted nostalgia lens can blur over the terrible mess with which they've chosen to end their career. It didn't have to be that way, and it is ALL on them.

IMHO.

And they are all so disappointed with themselves, they are grimacing all the way to the bank Let's face it, its been about the money for a long, long time, and if any one of you had that opportunity, you would do the same thing. IMHO of course.

[battema]

Not like them. Not even in some hypothetical universe where I had even a tiny fraction of their success.

I respect where your insinuation comes from, but not all of us (artists/musicians) have the same priorities.

I honestly don't think it's fully about money anymore with Yes. If that were true, we'd already be seeing Union 2.0. Rather, I think it's money blended with a MASSIVE dose of ego.

[markwoll]

) so I'm not some "Yes stopped being good after 1979" dolt.
IMHO.

Hey! Rounder or Knave, but never a dolt, not me.

[battema]

Hey! Rounder or Knave, but never a dolt, not me.

poor choice of words and too general (honestly, I was thinking of our dippy PE associate Skullf*ck when I wrote that). Fair point

(edited...better? )

[Jerjo]

Careful, if you say that one's name three times he appears. He's the Betelgeuse of PE.

[JJ88]

I think it's a fair comment and a situation I've contributed to by posting in them, and here I am again.

OK, so Crimson are letting the side down in not escalating the Belew/Fripp spat, but I'd like to know in what universe Floyd has not been a clusterf*ck of drama and incredibly diminishing returns across the board. They've just done it much more slowly and sedately than Yes.

Henry

The squabbling has been even more dramatic but IMHO there's definitely not an equivalent of Open Your Eyes in Floyd's catalogue.

I know they are your favorite band. And for a very, very long time I stayed pretty strongly as a fan (up through FFH and the first tour with Davidson) so I'm not some "Yes stopped being good after 1979" former fan long since off the boat. But no amount of thick-as-hell rose-tinted nostalgia lens can blur over the terrible mess with which they've chosen to end their career. It didn't have to be that way, and it is ALL on them.

IMHO.

I don't think either of these bands are as good as Yes were in the early 00s, forget the 70s.

[Scott Bails]

Rather, I think it's money blended with a MASSIVE dose of ego.

Nailed it.

[moecurlythanu]

And they are all so disappointed with themselves, they are grimacing all the way to the bank Let's face it, its been about the money for a long, long time, and if any one of you had that opportunity, you would do the same thing. IMHO of course.

The Yesses are raking in the dough? From what?

[Progbear]

Yes is one of the more pivotal bands still performing, much like King Crimson or the members of Pink Floyd.

Unlike King Crimson or the members of Pink Floyd, Yes have become a clusterf*ck of drama and incredibly diminishing returns across the board. They also bring out the worst in many of us (myself included) as we become stuck broken records rehashing the same stubborn opinions over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over until we actually find ourselves sick of our own voices.

Can we please have another thread discussing the merits of/problems with Tales From Topographic Oceans? I really think that’s a topic that has not been discussed enough here. And obviously, my opinion is important enough that it’s going to change the mind of some of the extremely open-minded people here who are always accepting of opinions not their own.

[chalkpie]

The Yesses are raking in the dough? From what?

Bread.

[hFx]

Great. Another Yes thread.

No... This is the thread to argument about arguments regarding Yes threads...

[Jerjo]

The Yesses are raking in the dough? From what?

Cruises, county fairs and casinos!

[moecurlythanu]

And obviously, my opinion is important enough that it’s going to change the mind of some of the extremely open-minded people here who are always accepting of opinions not their own.

Yeah! Both of them!

[NogbadTheBad]

Getting in before it goes private.

[mike_hunt]

Lack of Yes threads must mean only one thing: Yes isn't prog.

[gojikranz]

Lack of Yes threads must mean only one thing: Yes isn't prog.

well maybe we need to have a discussion about what prog is to really decide this? anyone wanna start that?

[Proghound]

Cruises, county fairs and casinos!

This

Ironically 90% of the people who go to Yes concerts (except CTTEdge) don't know this forum even exists. Nor do they know the members in the band. I have heard people at my work say- oh I saw them a few years ago and they were great! This is what you are up against.

"the Curmudgeon of Baltimore" (though I am not from nor live in Baltimore?)...... of Maryland -yes.

[Buddhabreath]

Yes we're never a top tier prog band for me like say Gentle Giant or Genesis or VDGG or Henry Cow etc. etc. (there are many for me) despite some masterful musicianship, arrangements and some wonderful moments on record. I guess I just never found the themes or lyrics or general vibe that compelling. To be honest I like Wakeman's Six Wives better than any Yes album. I know that makes me a sacrilegeous moron, but there you have it. From my personal experience, among fellow musicians and writers this is not an unusual opinion. In summary they just aren't and never were very "cool".

I know YMMV big time! So feel free to fire away.

[luvyesmusic]

This

Ironically 90% of the people who go to Yes concerts (except CTTEdge) don't know this forum even exists. Nor do they know the members in the band. I have heard people at my work say- oh I saw them a few years ago and they were great! This is what you are up against.

"the Curmudgeon of Baltimore" (though I am not from nor live in Baltimore?)...... of Maryland -yes.

Over 99% of folks who go to YES-shows have no idea progressiveeyes exist. ;-)

[GuitarGeek]

Well, there’s that thread where for about the 5th or 6th time someone starts a thread because they’ve just discovered that Giant Hogweed is a real thing.

More like the 5,000th time. About every two or three years, going all the way back to the RMP days, there has to be a post on some prog related forum regarding a news article or TV report about something pertaining to Giant Hogweed.

[moecurlythanu]

Here's someone who gets it:

[Jerjo]

It's a shame that "busty cutie dancing to Yes" video is gone. We could post in the comments section if she ever heard of PE.

[regenerativemusic]

I think Yes wants us to discuss this band more....if only we have the prog momentum.....I mean hundreds of thousands of words spent talking about trivial things.....can't some people put together a few unique considerations of more rare bands?

[Scrotum Scissor]

can't some people put together a few unique considerations of more rare bands?

Some people already do that. Fairly often. Although it's usually the same bunch of people.

"Rare" is kinda relative, though.