Stoner!

**spacefreak** · 06-15-2013

Heaven and Hell's "The Devil You Know" has a far better sound in comparison...

**Jerjo** · 06-15-2013

Had RJD not died, it would have been interesting to see what Heaven and Hell could have done, especially with a producer that would let the music breath instead of brickwall the bastard.

But I'm having too much fun with these stoner bands to get too worked up about it. And I've got copies of the seminal Sabbath albums which I do still play a lot.

**spacefreak** · 06-15-2013

Just out! Today we received the vinyls. Announcement soon...

Acid doom trip.

**JIF** · 06-15-2013

Originally Posted by Vic2012

^ Jerjo, I don't blame you. One individual tends to get very defensive about the slightest negative comment about Sabbath. It makes it difficult to give an honest opinion. Personally, I love 13. I think it stands up well in their legacy. But I can think of a couple negative things to say about it too. I didn't love it instantly but after a couple spins I was hooked. I think the problem for some might be in comparing 13 to their classics from s/t through Sabotage. There's just no way 13 can rival those albums. No, effing way.

Hey, I don't mind any negative comments about 13 on my thread. I've heard them all:Rick Rubin sucks, no Bill Ward, Ozzy can't sing anymore, and the mastering sucks. Does that about cover it?

**Joe F.** · 06-15-2013

I picked up the Orchid- The Mouths of Madness album after reading about it here. I don't recall who recommended it, but thanks! That is some seriously great Sabbath influenced stuff. How's the first album?

**Vic2012** · 06-16-2013

Originally Posted by JIF

Hey, I don't mind any negative comments about 13 on my thread. I've heard them all:Rick Rubin sucks, no Bill Ward, Ozzy can't sing anymore, and the mastering sucks. Does that about cover it?

I shoulda just been clear about this. I wasn't referring to you Jif, it's the other guy who's name also starts with a "J."

**Rael** · 06-16-2013

Originally Posted by Joe F.

I picked up the Orchid- The Mouths of Madness album after reading about it here. I don't recall who recommended it, but thanks! That is some seriously great Sabbath influenced stuff. How's the first album?

Joe, if you like The Mouths of Madness, you can't go wrong with Capricorn. It's excellent.

**100423** · 06-17-2013

Rise Above Records says:

UNCLE ACID ANNOUNCED AS MAIN SUPPORT SUPPORT TO BLACK SABBATH ON UK EUROPEAN TOUR. FULL PRESS RELEASE THIS TIME!!

Pretty cool!

**davis** · 06-17-2013

I just ran into this on youtube and dig it.

**Jerjo** · 06-17-2013

That was one massive piece of stoner groove!

**Rael** · 06-17-2013

Originally Posted by 100423

Rise Above Records says:

UNCLE ACID ANNOUNCED AS MAIN SUPPORT SUPPORT TO BLACK SABBATH ON UK EUROPEAN TOUR. FULL PRESS RELEASE THIS TIME!!

Pretty cool!

That is awesome! This could be a very big break for Uncle Acid.

**Garden Dreamer** · 06-17-2013

I've been playing the heck out of the latest from The Sword, "Apocryphon." Great from front to back. I like all of their albums but I think this is my favorite now.

**Yves** · 06-18-2013

Originally Posted by Rael

Joe, if you like The Mouths of Madness, you can't go wrong with Capricorn. It's excellent.

Add the debut EP to the equation. I have a serious mancrush on Orchid these days!

Re New Sabbath... I haven't heard it yet. My issues with these 'dinosaur' bands releasing albums late in their career parallel spacefreak's thoughts. Take Rush as an example, last two albums are barely listenable to me because of the massive wall of sound production. I prefer a much more organic sound. I always tend to lean towards underproduced vs overproduced.

**Yves** · 06-18-2013

Originally Posted by Garden Dreamer

I've been playing the heck out of the latest from The Sword, "Apocryphon." Great from front to back. I like all of their albums but I think this is my favorite now.

My favorite by The Sword remains the debut. I find that each successive release has cleaned the sound up more and more, while the riffs have seemed lass and less inspired, imo...

**davis** · 06-18-2013

^ I like the first 2 albums but don't care for Warp Riuders. I bought Apocryphon but strangely enough, haven't listened to it yet. after WR, maybe it's anxiety.

**Magic Mountain** · 06-18-2013

Originally Posted by davis

^ I like the first 2 albums but don't care for Warp Riuders. I bought Apocryphon but strangely enough, haven't listened to it yet. after WR, maybe it's anxiety.

I haven't listened to The Sword yet. I just purchased "Apocryphon" so we'll see. Funny though, "Warp Riders" is the highest rated on RYM of the four albums. What didn't you like about it?

**Rael** · 06-18-2013

Originally Posted by Yves

Add the debut EP to the equation. I have a serious mancrush on Orchid these days!

Re New Sabbath... I haven't heard it yet. My issues with these 'dinosaur' bands releasing albums late in their career parallel spacefreak's thoughts. Take Rush as an example, last two albums are barely listenable to me because of the massive wall of sound production. I prefer a much more organic sound. I always tend to lean towards underproduced vs overproduced.

Yves, I think Orchid have two EPs. I don't have either of them yet.

I really enjoy the new Sabbath and I'm glad it's been commercially successful. It's weird though, in that I'd much rather listen to Sabbath inspired bands than Black Sabbath. I would easily take most of the artists discussed in this thread over "13". For me, it has less to do with production than hearing a veteran band versus someone much younger and hungrier. As much as I like the new albums by Sabbath and Deep Purple, they are "mature' records, which is to say enjoyable but not up to the standards they themselves set 40+ years ago.

**Garden Dreamer** · 06-18-2013

Originally Posted by Magic Mountain

I haven't listened to The Sword yet. I just purchased "Apocryphon" so we'll see. Funny though, "Warp Riders" is the highest rated on RYM of the four albums. What didn't you like about it?

I like Warp Riders but it's my least favorite of their 4 albums. In comparison, it's probably more "rock" and less "stoner" than their others. Their first is probably the most stoner. I think the albums were becoming slightly less stoner with each release but Apochryphon has dialed the sound back in the direction of stoner.

**TheLoony** · 06-18-2013

Trouble - The Tempter/Bastards Will Pay. Saw these guys with Danzig back in the early 90's, met the drummer and one of the guitar players. Very cool band, loved the Sabbath sound with Christian themed lyrics.

Another I really dig from them, E.N.D.

**spacefreak** · 06-19-2013

Originally Posted by Yves

I always tend to lean towards underproduced vs overproduced.

Right.

**spacefreak** · 06-19-2013

Originally Posted by Rael

It's weird though, in that I'd much rather listen to Sabbath inspired bands than Black Sabbath. I would easily take most of the artists discussed in this thread over "13". For me, it has less to do with production than hearing a veteran band versus someone much younger and hungrier.

**davis** · 06-19-2013

Originally Posted by Magic Mountain

I haven't listened to The Sword yet. I just purchased "Apocryphon" so we'll see. Funny though, "Warp Riders" is the highest rated on RYM of the four albums. What didn't you like about it?

I read your question yesterday and couldn't give a specific answer cause I haven't heard the album in so long, so I listened to it again and don't know why I didn't like it before. I dig it now.

**Magic Mountain** · 06-19-2013

Originally Posted by davis

I read your question yesterday and couldn't give a specific answer cause I haven't heard the album in so long, so I listened to it again and don't know why I didn't like it before. I dig it now.

Thanks (and also to Garden Dreamer). I'll probably end up getting all four