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    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    Probably Silent Corner And The Empty Stage or In Camera for the 70s, but you may get a lot of different answers. Those two are practically VDGG albums in many ways, and every bit as essential IMO. I love PH solo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    Probably Silent Corner And The Empty Stage or In Camera for the 70s, but you may get a lot of different answers. Those two are practically VDGG albums in many ways, and every bit as essential IMO. I love PH solo!
    Yeah, those are two great albums, no doubt. IMO, they're not practically VdGG albums though. Very much solo PH. In Camera, in particular, only has Guy Evans from the band appearing on it, and he's only on two songs. But, yeah, the epics like Gog, Louse, and one or two others from those albums do practically scream out VDGG. Louse was even played by the band live before it broke up in '72 (and again when they reformed in '75, as was Gog).

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    I'd say the twin towers of PH's solo career are Nadir's Big Chance and Over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucka001 View Post
    But, yeah, the epics like Gog, Louse, and one or two others from those albums do practically scream out VDGG.
    "Louse" is just incredible. A rare ten-out-of-ten track for me. Likewise with "The Lie", from the same album. "Gog" is stunning but loses a half-point because of "Magog (In Bromine Chambers)" which I sometimes like and sometimes skip. "Modern", "Red Shift", "Faint-Heart And The Sermon" (that mellotron!!), "The Comet, The Course, The Tail"... oh, and the rest of the tracks. Seriously, whether you consider them 'practically VDGG' or not, they are certainly essential for fans of VDGG.

    Quote Originally Posted by R. Totale III View Post
    I'd say the twin towers of PH's solo career are Nadir's Big Chance and Over.
    Over is my favourite PH album. I've listened to it countless times, and it never ceases to command my attention. Every single track. Another essential album, especially if you're a fan of "La Rossa"! (The last song "Lost And Found" suddenly morphs at one point into the 'lost verse' from "La Rossa"). A stellar album that is drenched in strong emotions.

    Nadir is a great album, although for me it doesn't quite reach the heights of the other three we've been discussing. I do love it though, especially "Open Your Eyes" and "Nobody's Business".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    Seriously, whether you consider them 'practically VDGG' or not, they are certainly essential for fans of VDGG.
    Definitely agree with that! And I'm with you on the other two albums (Over & Nadirs) as well... all classic, brilliant, and essential (which, for me, could be said about any of the 70s solo albums).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic2012 View Post
    Anyway, it's obvious I love World Record. I know Murgley's doesn't get a lot of love. I love it for sure. And the cringe-inducing guitar is something you just have to accept as part of the charm of it. Yeah, his playing sounds harsh. The tone is grating. It's fingernails across a black board. But you gotta have a sense of humor about it. It's like Peter is saying... I know I'm not an electric guitarist, but this is how I want to express myself at this moment. Great album from start to finish. I know that not everyone "gets it." I'm not sure there's anything to "get" and I'm not sure I "get it" but I just know I like this album, and the band.
    I get that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Totale III View Post
    I'd say the twin towers of PH's solo career are Nadir's Big Chance and Over.
    Not in my book - Nadir has some good songs and some poor ones, and Over is one of those I play the least -Looking Glass is fabulous but the rest I think depends on how much you relate to the subject matter and I've been fortunate enough never to have suffered a relationship breakup! In my view Silent Corner, In Camera are great, but over the years its Patience and Enter K that I keep coming back to.
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    Godbluff is really growing on me. I like a lot more now than I did a couple weeks ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic2012 View Post
    Godbluff is really growing on me. I like a lot more now than I did a couple weeks ago.
    Yeah, same for me when I first heard it. It took a while, but it became my fave eventually and has remained so for many years. I love Pawn Hearts, but there's a raw, organic, almost brutal vibe with Godbluff that really resonates with me. Pawn Hearts is brilliantly trippy and feverish. Godbluff has some of that, but then it just flat out *rocks* in a way that the first generation albums don't. It's like non-linear heavy metal rock, in weird time signatures, with organ and sax instead of guitars!! In your face, take no prisoners. I love the many faces of VdGG, but that's the style I prefer most. It's the next album after Nadir, and Rikki's on this one too... He's just fronting a prog band this time around.

    BTW, this is Guy's hands down fave VdGG album, and Peter (when pressed to the gills) has cited this as his fave VdGG as well.

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    world record isn't on top of the heep but a damn good album. impossible not to love M3.

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    ya sitting targets is a great one from early 80's

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    I find PH's solo work a little difficult to listen to. They are excellent albums, but sometimes they are just emotionally draining and leave me a wreck (particularly Chameleon and Over). Are any of the 80's or 90's albums any good? I've heard mixed things about them...

    Anyway - for me, Godbluff is the best one, I love the intensity that VdGG could muster up when they really got going and after "The Undercover Man" (excellent song, by the way), it's a non-stop rollercoaster ride, like, turn it up loud enough and you'll forget to breathe After that, I can't decide between H to He, Pawn Hearts, or Still Life, so let me just say that 4-album run is really something special. I don't believe they ever made a bad album. Even the Vital - Live album is essential. I stayed away from them for so long because of guys like Starostin and McFerrin who gave them the "subpar prog" tag, but in my opinion they were maybe the greatest of them all!!

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    For PH Solo, Patience and Sitting Targets are my favs, but I really dig the compilation Vision, as it was my first PH album.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cats On Glue View Post
    world record isn't on top of the heep but a damn good album. impossible not to love M3.
    Love WR; don't like M3 - needs better lyrics and heavy editing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    'Nadir's Big Chance' has this reputation for being this proto-punk record but not much of it is really like that IMHO. Can't think of many punk records with ballads like 'Been Alone So Long'! 'Over' is an excellent record
    Agreed! I get awfully tired of punk being mentioned every time someone talks about that album. I see very little in common, apart from a bit of attitude from Hammill in the lyrics and vocal delivery of the title track. And has there ever been an article written about PH that does not mention that Johnny Rotten was a fan? Who cares? To me, it would be like every single article written about Michelangelo saying that the guy who drew Archie comics was a fan. It's just always rubbed me the wrong way that reviewers feel the need to name-drop as though PH's work does not stand on its own merits.

    Anyway, listening to Over again thanks to this thread and loving every second of it as always. It's hard to type more than five words without getting caught up in the music coming from the speakers. So compelling! "...if you leave me now, it might nearly kill me.. remember me - remember meeeeeeeeee......."


    Quote Originally Posted by JAMOOL View Post
    Are any of the 80's or 90's albums any good? I've heard mixed things about them...
    Oh, yes, certainly. From 1980's A Black Box right up until last year's Consequences, you'll find plenty of excellent Hammill material. Some stuff that won't work for you as well, of course, which you'll get with any catalogue that enormous (I don't love EVERY Zappa either, but most of it). He did some very experimental stuff on some of those albums. The highly electronic In A Foreign Town from 1987 for example is generally not considered one his better works but I actually really like a few tracks from that one. I always rather liked 1992's Fireships as well, one title from what he refers to as his 'Be Calm' series. Most of the albums from approximately 2000 onward have maintained a certain 'feel' to them, at least to me. I like most of them, especially Thin Air from a few years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cats On Glue View Post
    world record isn't on top of the heep but a damn good album. impossible not to love M3.
    I felt like playing World Record this morning on my drive. I've been alternating for the last few days between Godbluff and WR. It's possible that Godbluff will edge WR down a notch (but that could all change next time I go on a VDGG bender like this last one). Man I love Murglye's III but that guitar solo goes on too long. They could've shaved at least 2-3 minutes off that long outtro. Or maybe instead of that guitar solo they let David play a sax solo. I just also noticed that David Jackson doesn't do a lot of soloing with VDGG, it's mostly just unison playing and color/texture. I'm not complaining about that so much, I really like the sax in VDGG, but for Murgleys a sax or organ solo would've worked a little better. But it's still a pretty cool epic track. It's not "ruined" by the guitar but it is cringe worthy in spots .

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    'Godbluff' is a far better record than WR, I think. I would guess it's a band favourite given how much of it they played when the original line-up reformed, as seen on the 'Real Time' set.
    Interesting, though, that since they reformed, WR is the only album where absolutely every song has had a live performance. I do know that the band really loves that album and it's not at all controversial to them like it is to many of their fans.

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    Ps. It is MEURGLYS III not Murglye.

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    FYI, a brand new interview with Peter Hammill on all things VdGG is available here: http://www.innerviews.org/inner/hammill.html

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    I think I officially LOVE Godbluff. What a monster of a prog album. The keyboards are awesome. Best prog album I've bought in years.

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    Yeah, the combo of piano, organ and sax, with Evan's drums, is really different and works well.

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