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    I've heard there is a Senna doc as well that I am going to look for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Eric View Post
    I just watched yesterday. I thought it was well done and clearly the filmmakers had full support of the family and parts of the F1 family. The section about his childhood and family were super insightful, and quaint in a way. As well his entry into F1 and the resulting "splash". Not having been a fan back then, my impression from the film was that he could be reckless in his pursuit of perfection and victory, and exhibited signs of narcissism, like never admitting fault or having made a mistake. Short summary from a newbie is that the movie was a good look at Schumacher the driver and concurrently a decent view of F1 during his active years, but very little about his return. I give it 3 of 5 sets of Soft tyres.
    Yep - he didn't have a huge fanbase because of that. (His strongest support was from the Tifosi, who wanted him to win because he drove a Ferrari.) Yet as peoples' memories fade, he's canonized.

    The same will happen with Hamilton, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Eric View Post
    I've heard there is a Senna doc as well that I am going to look for.
    The movie is simply called "Senna". It was (once) on Netflix.

    The movie "Rush", about the Hunt Lauda scrap, is also worth watching (and VERY well made).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Glenday View Post
    Yep - he didn't have a huge fanbase because of that. (His strongest support was from the Tifosi, who wanted him to win because he drove a Ferrari.) Yet as peoples' memories fade, he's canonized.
    Remember when he parked his car in the middle of the track in one of the turns so Alonso couldn't get pole?

    I skipped 3 or 4 seasons when he got dominant w/Ferrari. Seeing him win over and over was just so boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Glenday View Post
    The movie is simply called "Senna". It was (once) on Netflix.

    The movie "Rush", about the Hunt Lauda scrap, is also worth watching (and VERY well made).
    I have the both the Senna documentary and Rush in my collection, the latter is a brilliant movie, worth watching more than once, the main protagonists are superbly portrayed. I’m not 100% sold on the schmaltzy post script, but the story of that season is fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunlight Caller View Post
    I have the both the Senna documentary and Rush in my collection, the latter is a brilliant movie, worth watching more than once, the main protagonists are superbly portrayed. I’m not 100% sold on the schmaltzy post script, but the story of that season is fantastic.
    What was particularly impressive was that they retrieved the actual cars that competed in those races (mostly, from collectors who'd bought them) - and used them in the race footage.
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    This just popped up on my feeds:

    10 MUST SEE MOTOR RACING DOCUMENTARIES

    https://drivetribe.com/p/10-must-see...TYyDFo9l83refw

    (I didn't know there was a Williams documentary.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Glenday View Post
    What was particularly impressive was that they retrieved the actual cars that competed in those races (mostly, from collectors who'd bought them) - and used them in the race footage.
    Now that is a fact I didn’t know, very cool indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Glenday View Post
    (I didn't know there was a Williams documentary.)
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    Tough luck on Norris, his team should have insisted he came in for tires. Hamilton's tactics kinda fell to him given what everyone else did. Superb drive by Verstappen.
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    Yeah, I agree. Not sure why his engineer deferred to him.

    Verstappen had a good drive but also bit of luck on his side, too: he pitted on the right lap.

    What I don't understand is why Red Bull didn't pit Perez sooner. He was in 3rd and tumbled down the leader board. I couldn't figure out what the hell happened so I went back and rewatched the last 10 laps or so and watched only the leader board. Bottas pitted first, I think, and ended up in 5th. Jesus, what a lucky finish for a guy who couldn't seem to do anything in a far superior car (altho, it's possible he just doesn't give a shit anymore ). Lewis & Max pitted on the same lap. I think. (Sainz might have pitted that lap, too, but I didn't pay attention to him so I'm not sure). And since Max was as far back as he was, the timing of the rain probably(?) forced him to tip toe to the pits, which is why he finished 53 seconds behind Lewis. But it appeared he pitted before just about everyone else. So why didn't they pit Perez then, too?

    What was really interesting was watching Perez & Alonso switch places a few times. I would have loved to see what was going on there. One minute, Perez was in 3rd and the next minute, Alonso was. And then Perez was ahead. And then Alonso.

    As badly as I felt for Lando, I felt just as badly for George Russell. It's too bad we couldn't have had a wet race. If we had, I'm sure George would have finished much higher than 10th.
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    There was so much action for the broadcast to follow and show that they missed a few, like most of the Perez/Alonzo overtakes, which has Hal pointed out would've been great to watch. I felt super bad for Lando and felt that had they pitted for Inter's, Hamilton and Mercedes would've followed and the last few laps would have been a great race between the two.
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    That was hugely exciting, but terribly unlucky for Lando. I can understand why he made the call to stay out, but it’s a huge lesson to learn. Lewis wanted to stay out until overruled, and it shows the value of experience. It was also fortunate for Max, he was becalmed in seventh before the rain, he could not have wished for a better result.

    I recall years ago that Lewis was pretty masterful in the rain, but these days as soon as there is some precipitation the tyres seem like they are driving on glass, so has there been a change?

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    <Discussion>
    Hamilton was right.
    His team was wrong.
    That is all.
    </Discussion>
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    Correct, they should have left him out there. Mercedes looked strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Glenday View Post
    <Discussion>
    Hamilton was right.
    His team was wrong.
    That is all.
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    Actually we'll never know. It could have been that he lost more positions trying to push those tires that had gone 45 laps. He was pissed to give up spots and new that if the pulled him in that would happen, but if her stayed out he may have a chance to keep position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Eric View Post
    Actually we'll never know. It could have been that he lost more positions trying to push those tires that had gone 45 laps. He was pissed to give up spots and new that if the pulled him in that would happen, but if her stayed out he may have a chance to keep position.
    My view: He was 11 seconds ahead, with 9 laps to go. He'd been catching others at the rate of over 1 second per lap, so he had the pace.

    All he had to do was baby the tires for 9 laps, and with his straight-line speed advantage he had a strong chance of preventing any overtakes.

    He's probably be on the podium, and at worst he'd finish 4th.
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    That was a hell of a race. I understand why they voted Sainz as driver of the day but I would've voted for Perez.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Glenday View Post
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    Totally agree. I didn't understand that either. That said, commentators pointed out that Ocon started going backwards toward the end of the race and that probably would've happened to Lewis, as well. Still, he had that sizeable gap. In Mercedes' defense, I know from experience that rain can be harder than what shows up on radar and I think rain was the consideration for bringing him in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Glenday View Post
    My view: He was 11 seconds ahead, with 9 laps to go. He'd been catching others at the rate of over 1 second per lap, so he had the pace.

    All he had to do was baby the tires for 9 laps, and with his straight-line speed advantage he had a strong chance of preventing any overtakes.

    He's probably be on the podium, and at worst he'd finish 4th.
    This I agree with, who knows if the tires would have gone off & caused issues but I doubt he'd have dropped further than 5th in that scenario whereas he was guaranteed to drop to 5th with new tires and was unlikely to be able to pass LeClerc & Perez. Based on probabilities he should have stayed out.
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