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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post
    Did you guys catch qualifying for Monza? What a mess. And the commentators from Sky were cracking me up.
    That was ... interesting! I always get so pissed-off with the teams leaaving everything to the very last instant. They get a drafting advantage, but that's far outweighed by the traffic disadvantage.

    The last time I saw a cluster*** like that was ... MONZA! in 2019. That was nuts!

    A lot of times the Sky commentators make quips in the course of conversation that most people miss - but they're hilarious! Brundle is the best at that, IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post
    Yeah, it was bonkers alright. This is the funnest weekend I've had in ages.


    What I'd like to know is what's wrong with that seat? Gasly had it and lost it. Albon showed promise last year (I championed him for the seat over Gasly after having some good results in the Alpha Tauri) but his results have been mixed. Prior to that, Kvyat was the #2 to Riccicardo and couldn't do anything with it. Max replaced him and Daniel left.

    If I was a driver at Alpha Tauri and was offered the #2 seat at Red Bull, I'd be like, "thanks, but no thanks."
    Totally agree with your comments about Gasly and Albon. I also rooted for Albon over Gasly a yeat ago, but in retrospect, that wasn't the best move for Red Bull. Yes, Gasly was a bit lucky today, but it's been fun watching him race against Albon all year

    Even if the red flag and the unreasonable penalties hadn't happened, there was a lot of great overtaking for a change. And watching Hamilton tear through the field to finish just 2 behind Botas was epic!

    Often, my wife and I will make comments about the race - and 30 seconds later, the Sky commentators say the same thing. One of the things we were talking about today before the commentators said anything about it was -- this is like a reverse-grid sprint race. I've changed my mind, and think they'd be fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post
    In Q3, for their second run, just about everyone came out of the pits at the same time.
    Correction: it was at the end of Q2. My mistake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Glenday View Post
    A lot of times the Sky commentators make quips in the course of conversation that most people miss - but they're hilarious! Brundle is the best at that, IMO.
    Yeah, he and Ted Kravitz. Ted's pretty funny, anyway.

    ...it's been fun watching him race against Albon all year
    Right?

    One of the things we were talking about today before the commentators said anything about it was -- this is like a reverse-grid sprint race. I've changed my mind, and think they'd be fun!
    I remember Croft & Brundle talking about it last year and the problem they identified was that, during qualifying, the drivers would be competing to see who'd go slowest. How could you come up with rules to counteract that?

    Thinking about it yesterday I thought of two possible solutions:

    1. Blind Implementation
    a. Reverse Order Gridding (like my new term?) would only be done for half of the races - after eliminating those few tracks where overtaking is nearly impossible, like Monaco, Suzuka, et al.
    b. To pick which tracks would use ROG, small, sealed envelopes with a note in it would be labeled either "normal" or "reverse order", with an equal number for each. The envelopes would then be blindly/randomly drawn out and assigned to each track corresponding to the schedule.
    c. Keep each envelope sealed until after qualifying for each race, at which point, the envelope is opened and the announcement made that the grid would be normal or in reverse order.

    All of this, of course, is done under the watchful eyes of the FIA, race stewards, team principals, drivers, media, and the world. lol

    2. Qualifying Point System
    I haven't really worked this one out but points could be awarded to drivers and/or teams for how well they qualify.

    I don't know how fair it all is but it sure would make for an entertaining season!
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    It was good to watch a different race for a change, but I felt a bit sorry for Lewis, he would have equaled the best successive podium streak. It was a major fuck up from Mercedes though, but ultimately will not harm his imperious march to the title.

    Do you guys remember all the way back to when John Watson was racing and some circuits suited his non-turbo boasted car (McClaren?) better? I remember him carving through the field from the back to take the chequered flag (possibly in the US). Lewis’s second half reminded me of those days, shame there were not a few more laps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post
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    I remember Croft & Brundle talking about it last year and the problem they identified was that, during qualifying, the drivers would be competing to see who'd go slowest. How could you come up with rules to counteract that?

    Thinking about it yesterday I thought of two possible solutions:

    1. Blind Implementation
    a. Reverse Order Gridding (like my new term?) would only be done for half of the races - after eliminating those few tracks where overtaking is nearly impossible, like Monaco, Suzuka, et al.
    b. To pick which tracks would use ROG, small, sealed envelopes with a note in it would be labeled either "normal" or "reverse order", with an equal number for each. The envelopes would then be blindly/randomly drawn out and assigned to each track corresponding to the schedule.
    c. Keep each envelope sealed until after qualifying for each race, at which point, the envelope is opened and the announcement made that the grid would be normal or in reverse order.

    All of this, of course, is done under the watchful eyes of the FIA, race stewards, team principals, drivers, media, and the world. lol

    2. Qualifying Point System
    I haven't really worked this one out but points could be awarded to drivers and/or teams for how well they qualify.

    I don't know how fair it all is but it sure would make for an entertaining season!
    Simple:

    Two free practice sessions on Friday.

    Qualifying on Saturday morning.

    Reverse-grid sprint race on Saturday afternoon, with championship points! Say - half the points of a regular race - or if that encourages drivers to game the system, you could increase or reduce that points percentage as needed.

    Regular race on Sunday.



    Formula 2 does something similar:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Fo...p#Race_weekend
    ...but I think my system would be simpler, and more exciting. (Probably more dangerous, though.)
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    I just read that Marko admits that Albon has not had the same parts in his car as Verstappen!
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    Explains Albon's lack of success. That and the fact that they often run Albon on a different strategy. It also explains why RB is sticking with him for the time being.

    BTW, trying to find info on it, I ran across this in an article from Planet F1:

    According to [Lewis Hamilton], Albon is letting the team down as he is “not there”, leaving it to Verstappen to carry the team.

    “What you have got to look at with the Red Bulls is that they do have a very good car,” he told Sky F1. "People downplay it but they have got a very strong car and Max is doing a great job with it. Unfortunately both drivers are not there like me and Valtteri are there. That makes it harder for them. I’ve experienced that myself many years ago when I was at McLaren and I was the driver always at the front."

    Lewis just dissed Alonso, Button, and Rosberg in a single sentence, forgetting that Button finished higher in one season and Rosberg won the championship.

    I still think McLaren fucked over Alonso. He was the #1 driver and two time defending champion but Ron Dennis played favorites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunlight Caller View Post
    Do you guys remember all the way back to when John Watson was racing and some circuits suited his non-turbo boasted car (McClaren?) better? I remember him carving through the field from the back to take the chequered flag (possibly in the US). Lewis’s second half reminded me of those days, shame there were not a few more laps.
    I remember Watson but don't remember the race. I also remember commentators calling him "Dr John Watson". Was he a doctor and if so, of what? Or was it a joke since he had the same name as the Sherlock Holmes character?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post
    Explains Albon's lack of success. That and the fact that they often run Albon on a different strategy. It also explains why RB is sticking with him for the time being.

    BTW, trying to find info on it, I ran across this in an article from Planet F1:

    According to [Lewis Hamilton], Albon is letting the team down as he is “not there”, leaving it to Verstappen to carry the team.

    “What you have got to look at with the Red Bulls is that they do have a very good car,” he told Sky F1. "People downplay it but they have got a very strong car and Max is doing a great job with it. Unfortunately both drivers are not there like me and Valtteri are there. That makes it harder for them. I’ve experienced that myself many years ago when I was at McLaren and I was the driver always at the front."


    Lewis just dissed Alonso, Button, and Rosberg in a single sentence, forgetting that Button finished higher in one season and Rosberg won the championship.


    I still think McLaren fucked over Alonso. He was the #1 driver and two time defending champion but Ron Dennis played favorites.
    I hope he loses this big-headed attitude! I've always been a big supporter, but comments like this will loose me as a fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Glenday View Post
    Agreed!



    I really hope Haas doesn't leave - though I'm not a fan of either of their drivers.

    (Steiner was fun on the Neflix series, though!)
    Steiner had me crying I was laughing so hard!

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    Is it me or they throwing out the safety car/red flag alot more this year than they usually do?

    (Slight preface...I haven't really watched in the past three or so years, so perhaps this has been a thing for longer than just 2020).
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    There are fewer track marshals this year for social distancing reasons, which might have some effect. In general, the number of safety car periods increased greatly after Bianchi's fatal accident in 2014, because now every time a car is stranded somewhere on the track, the safety car comes out so there is no chance of anyone else going off in the same spot while the marshals are still removing the car.

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    Another bonkers start to a race yesterday though it eventually settled down into routine. That second crash was horrendous with the back of the pack thinking the race had restarted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobo Chang Ba View Post
    Is it me or they throwing out the safety car/red flag alot more this year than they usually do?

    (Slight preface...I haven't really watched in the past three or so years, so perhaps this has been a thing for longer than just 2020).
    Not sure about the first red flag - but with the second, as with last week : If the protective barriers are damaged, they cannot continue. The barriers need to be repaired before cars are allowed back on the track. (Remember the Bianchi incident?)
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    I agree that the second one was necessary. And it's not just red flags but safety cars as well. I remember when I started watching f1 in the mid 2000s a safety car deployment was a pretty big deal. But I don't mean for my question to focus on the Tuscan GP. This whole year they've just seemed very eager to throw these things and I just don't remember it being this way, even five years ago. Did this start right after the Bianchi incident? (Also, wasn't the bianchi incident a result of a car being removed from the track and not barrier destruction?)
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    I agree that they've become too quick to deploy a safety car.

    And they became quicker after the Bianchi incident, especially regarding equipment on the track, repairs to the safety barriers, or (I think) anything that could cause a similar disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post
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    Yesterday's race was all about Albon / Gasly, AFAIC.

    And I agree with Hamilton - they're doing anything they can to block him - it's getting personal.

    I loved Botas's radio comment at the end, to his critics!
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