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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasKDye View Post
    So I've heard recent Steven Wilson. What exactly is the difference again?
    Different songs, different players, different musical sensibility & writing sensibility, different degrees of virtuosity, different possibilities for where it can go, for a start.
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    I liked some PT back in the day, but I’m not all that broken up over the idea of that chapter being finished. Mr. Wilson still has other avenues for his music to get made, so it’s not like fans won’t get to hear PT-styled stuff going forward.

    Speaking for myself, I’ve cooled a bit on SW overall. I think I actually like To The Bone more than HCE, but overall I just don’t tend to reach for his music as much anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boilk View Post
    Hah, yeah, I'm wondering if Steven Wilson has now reached that rarefied air of Yes threads....inviting passion and defensiveness from serious, don't-say-anything-bad-about-the-messiah types, to mocking scorn from those who have moved on to more serious, underground elitist proggy prog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocProgger View Post
    What I miss about PT is the continuity of the live concerts. There is something to be said for playing with the same core of band mates, establishing that teamwork, that interplay. I liked Barbieri's keyboard sounds, and that monster clean bass of Colin. I loved Harrison on drums. Wilson's solo tours, while consisting of some quality musicians, seem to be a revolving door hodge podge with little continuity. So while PT was always mostly Wilson of course, I miss the band.
    This. Especially wth touring HCE and Raven, who he came to the US with was always a crap shoot, which was truly frustrating to me. I miss PT more now because the last album he put out is just shite. At least with PT, there were other influences keeping the ship going in the right direction, right now he seems adrift to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zonefish View Post
    "I don’t go backwards. I’m not interested in going backward."

    I don't mean to sound disingenuous, but his non-stop remastering of classic prog albums seem to belie that statement.
    Well, that's a very different thing from his own music. One, an engineer in demand for surround remixes and who started with prog but has been gradually moving into other areas as his reputation begins to precede him. I see nothing disingenuous about him happily remixing progressive classics, however, as it's music he loves...but is nothing like (at least, less and less) the music he makes.

    So, two different gigs: one, over which he has total control (his music), and so can define his forward or backward direction as much as he wants; the other, a gig that is enjoyable for him, as he gets to work with albums he likes and many of which have had at least some influence on who he is today. But remixing old albums is not going backwards, sorry. I would be 99.9% certain that he is referring to his music.
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    So here's a recent interview SW did in Finland (Feb 24). The thing that immediately struck me is that he is finally starting to show his age. And it wasn't just me -- the comments also had lots of the same reaction.

    So that got me thinking: is his swing toward more "accessible" music and all the various comments nixing a PT reunion, dissing The Raven, etc. all part of some kind of mid-life crisis he's going through? As in: "I've only got so many really vital years left -- I better score some kind of popular success while I still can."

    I dunno -- just thinking out loud.

    I'm holding out for the Wilson-mixed 5.1 super-duper walletbuster special anniversary extra adjectives edition.

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    Well, I would argue that he already has had a lot of SOME kind of popular success. I mean, for years now, he has been filling decent sized venues. Just because you are not playing arenas, certainly doesn't mean you aren't successful. But, I'm sure that he'll continue to do what he wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulrus View Post
    So that got me thinking: is his swing toward more "accessible" music and all the various comments nixing a PT reunion, dissing The Raven, etc. all part of some kind of mid-life crisis he's going through?
    For me a mid-life crisis would be: he was doing Porcupine Tree then suddenly he did Bass Communion or IEM for two years. He's always issued 'wayward' side projects, which is part of his artistic integrity I guess. He's always done Pop as well (nothing on To The Bone is as Pop as 'Piano Lessons'). I think he's become strident on the “Permanating” thing because in the sleepy backwater of Prog he's been used to having pretty much unconditional support from his audience and he's been a bit rattled by the adverse criticism.

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    I pretty much stopped with PT after Signify and whatever album "Even Less" was on. He's better off just putting out depressing solo projects ad nauseum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AncientChord View Post
    I can understand where SW comes from
    ...but I never understood where he was going to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zonefish View Post
    "I don’t go backwards. I’m not interested in going backward."

    I don't mean to sound disingenuous, but his non-stop remastering of classic prog albums seem to belie that statement.
    That's almost a word-for-word quote from Peter Hammill back in 1999 when I posed the question to him of his interest in playing ProgDay. I should clarify that I never mentioned VDGG in the conversation. He felt going back would be a 'regression'. I was not cheeky enough to point out a 'regression' would be a 'progression' from stagnation as the show I'd just seen him do was virtually the same as what he'd done back in the mid-80s. Perhaps someday Mr Wilson will rethink his attitude as well. [I like Wilson's solo albums, but one should never speak so definitively about the future.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proglodite View Post
    That's almost a word-for-word quote from Peter Hammill back in 1999 when I posed the question to him of his interest in playing ProgDay. I should clarify that I never mentioned VDGG in the conversation. He felt going back would be a 'regression'. I was not cheeky enough to point out a 'regression' would be a 'progression' from stagnation as the show I'd just seen him do was virtually the same as what he'd done back in the mid-80s. Perhaps someday Mr Wilson will rethink his attitude as well. [I like Wilson's solo albums, but one should never speak so definitively about the future.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulrus View Post
    is his swing toward more "accessible" music and all the various comments nixing a PT reunion, dissing The Raven, etc. all part of some kind of mid-life crisis he's going through?
    I dunno, was it an early midlife crisis that spurred the first heavy pop phase in 90-91?

    When Raven was new, I remember Steven observing that such an uncommercial package was a fairly bloody-minded move, but the response convinced him that trusting his instincts was the right decision. Come to think of it, each of his solo albums has always sold better than the previous one. If this was about success or popular numbers, he could have just stayed in the regressive-rock mold again instead of mixing it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulrus View Post
    all part of some kind of mid-life crisis he's going through? As in: "I've only got so many really vital years left -- I better score some kind of popular success while I still can."
    Yeah. I'm not surprised that he isn't aware that NR and NMN are out - the first weak anti-aging pills.

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    Considering that the last two PT albums, FoaBP and The Incident are my least favorite PT albums, I'm not too broke up.about this. Whatever the band members contributed to the lyrics or compositions seem more and more minimal with every Wilson solo release. I was never under the impression that PT was much more than Wilson and his hired hands anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3LockBox View Post
    Considering that the last two PT albums, FoaBP and The Incident are my least favorite PT albums, I'm not too broke up.about this. Whatever the band members contributed to the lyrics or compositions seem more and more minimal with every Wilson solo release. I was never under the impression that PT was much more than Wilson and his hired hands anyway.
    PT was mostly that but there was a time when PT band members had a very significant input on Wilson's compositions, peaking on the Stupid Dream/Lightbulb Sun period. After that, he steered them more towards metal, which I never felt was really suited for Edwin's and Barbieri's styles even though they tried to make the most of it. When SW went solo, he could use the musicians best suited for the music, which he couln't do when PT went metal (he did bring in Harrison who's playing was much better suited for that musical direction than Maitland's but I doubt he would have gotten away with replacing all the PT members at that point).

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    Maybe The Future Bites didn't bring in the $$$ as expected? He was also losing his fan base. Just saying
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    What I heard, I'm disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camelogue View Post
    What I heard, I'm disappointed.
    Me too..
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    Quote Originally Posted by boilk View Post
    Well, seems pretty definitive, to me:

    https://metalwani.com/2018/03/steven...-are-zero.html

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    Yeah, it would seem that his dour take on mass consumption and mindless consumerism did not translate into mass consumption of his product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3LockBox View Post
    Yeah, it would seem that his dour take on mass consumption and mindless consumerism did not translate into mass consumption of his product.
    Got any proof to back that up?
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    Got any proof to back that up?
    I don't know if this is proof and I don't have a dog in this race either way, but I WAS curious and found this:

    https://www.billboard.com/artist/ste...t-history/tlp/
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