Yes, but what is "possession?" We never came to a conclusion, because it's very hard to define in a way that is consistently observable in real time.Originally Posted by Scott Bails
Yes, but what is "possession?" We never came to a conclusion, because it's very hard to define in a way that is consistently observable in real time.
agreed
Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?
When the Colts moved to Indianapolis.
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Nice thought, but I’m not sure replacing one Diva with another is a great idea. But I get where you’re going.
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Okay. But their new rule doesn't solve that problem, either.
They go out of their way too make simple things complicated.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...cid=spartanntp
If this is true, this is pretty awful.
Please don't ask questions, just use google.
Never let good music get in the way of making a profit.
I'm only here to reglaze my bathtub.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...contact-helmet
To hell with the catch rule. This one will have FAR more reaching impact this season.
A Comfort Zone is not a Life Sentence
The unfortunate truth is that there are no rules short of completely changing the sport that make it substantially safer for players' heads than the way the game is right now.
Football is practically in my DNA; I've been watching the NFL on Sundays since I was a little kid so I admit I'm selfish in that I can't imagine it not being there, and I want it to always be there. But football as we know it isn't going to be there forever, because of what we're learning about what the sport does to the brains of its participants. If a rule like this keeps people happy for a few more years, then I'm for it. It postpones the inevitable.
You are going to see a game filled with additional penalties now. A running back going through the hole and lowering his head can now be flagged. Shall we go to flag football? Two hand touch?
Football is a violent contact sport. The participants are well aware of the risks. Given the risk/reward factor that players consider, I don't see any of them giving up the sport because of the
'potential' of a long term brain injury. This pussification of the game is going to cost the league fans if it keeps this up.
A Comfort Zone is not a Life Sentence
obviously, when a player tries to "take another player out of the game" concussing the other player by launching head first at him it should be a severe penalty
Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?
I don't wish to ascribe blame, because he was otherwise a great player, but the first player I remember using the helmet as a weapon often, as in it was part of his repertoire, was Ronnie Lott. Others had before him, but he was feared for it.
Hope he's ok. Haven't heard if he has CTE or no.
It was after this time that it somehow became acceptable in the NFL to routinely lead with the helmet. The league didn't discourage, it was good for ratings.
In time it seemed to replace the actual tackle. How many times have we seen the defensive player lead with the head and fail to wrap up the ball carrier? This goes on even to the present day. It is one of many reasons I can no longer hang with the league too much anymore.
Perhaps finding the happy medium is harder than we know.
It could be very problematic, but if it leads to more textbook wrap-up tackling instead of block tackling, then it's a good thing.
Agreed. I find it hard to believe that football players can't learn a different technique.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
Pete Carroll has been teaching a safer tackling technique for years...
It's the rugby approach where you need to wrap them up and take them to the ground.
Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-a...re-happy-hour/
Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
^ It's also the way football is taught at the high school level.
Or, at least, the way effective coaches teach their kids. As a high school teacher I've seen way, way too many football coaches that don't.
Betting against the spread is going to become a little bit more challenging:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...gamewinning-td
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-Cozy 3:16-
I agree that tackling technique has become atrocious. Wrapping up has become a lost art. Far too many are just looking to throw the shoulder at the ball carrier.
It bothers me that the offensive player can be flagged now. 4th and goal from the 1 yard line. Are you (NFL) telling me now that a ball carrier can't take a handoff,
and lower his head straight into the pile? That's absurd! You could flag a guy on almost every running play.
A Comfort Zone is not a Life Sentence
Unfortunately, fundamental tackling in football is fast becoming a disappearing skill, and its only going to get worse. My son recently played high school football, mostly at linebacker (all 4 years), and I remember talking to him about the summer drills after his first few full pads practices, and asking him about which tackling drills they did. Did you do the meatgrinder? Oklahoma? etc. He looked at me with a confused look. They did no one on one tackling drills to speak of. I had also played football in high school, and the most brutal part of practices were always those one on one tackling drills. Later I watched a few practices and they really didn't even do a whole lot of hard hitting even in scrimmages. And this was a school that was a perennial power, and my son's junior year they made it to the Final Four of the biggest class in the state. Everything was geared to a high flying offensive passing attack, very little attention paid to fundamental tackling. So the scores of the games were always 48-42, 60-45 etc. Bad arm tackling (lack of wrapping up a big pet peeve of mine) non stop scoring.
This has filtered up to the colleges, where you see those ridiculous scores in the 60s and 70s (see any Big 12 game for instance), and of course now is filtering up to the pros. And with all the concerns about head trauma, its only going to get worse, because coaches in the lower ranks are so petrified of getting kids hurt, getting the school sued etc, so they don't run many hard tackling drills. The game is becoming more and more like flag football. You can teach good fundamental tackling, but you cannot eliminate every single helmet collision in a random violent game with so many moving bodies running at full speed. Some helmets are going to collide just randomly even when making a proper tackle. Trying to legislate out all those possible random collisions is eventually going to be the death knell of tackle football as we know it.
I think Lott was generally a very good fundamental tackler. The player that really put headhunting on the map, and prided himself on obviously dirty hits and cheap shots, was Jack Tatum of the Raiders. Lott was a hard hitter, but I never thought of him as a headhunter like Tatum was. His nickname was "The Assassin" after all.
When Lott was mentioned the first thing I thought of is Jack Tatum.
It is too bad you can't measure intent. You see quarterbacks ducking during a sack and if the tackler's arm hits the helmet it is a penalty. Same thing with helmet use.
I think the problem can be pointed out by comparing rugby and football. Rugby is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.
Has Tatum EVER showed any real remorse re: Stingley. If he has, I must have missed it.
"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician, and to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference"
President Harry S. Truman
How the hell do you referee a one yard QB sneak or the leap over the pile. FLAG EVERYONE!
Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-a...re-happy-hour/
Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
In rugby if someone accidentally hits the head while being careless in a tackle they 10 minutes in the sinbin, if it's deliberate they get thrown out of the game.
Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-a...re-happy-hour/
Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
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