Some fun, old-school prog reading:
https://www.superseventies.com/faq_progrock.html
Some fun, old-school prog reading:
https://www.superseventies.com/faq_progrock.html
Some questions will never be answered to everyones satisfaction.
And some statements deserve constant repetition.
My two favorite passages:
"One more thing. There is a pernicious tendency for some people to
regard progressive music as the jewel in the crown of the music. This
is simply nonsense from people with narrow musical experience. Many
experienced progressive music enthusiasts have very wise tastes
indeed and you will catch a glimpse of these from time to time. I
have done so and they have lead to very fruitful and rewarding music
explorations in many different directions. Progressive music is a
small corner of music as a whole. I encourage everyone to explore as
widely as possible. Having said this, I and presumably you as you are
reading this, suspect progressive music is a particularly interesting
corner to explore."
" Is there a difference between "progressive" and "good"?
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Obviously. Many progressive music fans (myself included) have been
guilty at some time of either considering all the bands they like
"progressive", or defining progressive to mean music that they
consider "good". While this seems to be a human error that many of
us make, please think twice before posting to r.m.p about a band
just because you like them. For example, I would consider bands like
Deicide "progressive" in important ways: they push the boundaries of
rhythmic interplay, play very complex music with technical skill
etc., but discussions about them do not really belong on r.m.p."
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-- Aristotle
Nostalgia, you know, ain't what it used to be. Furthermore, they tells me, it never was.
“A Man Who Does Not Read Has No Appreciable Advantage Over the Man Who Cannot Read” - Mark Twain
Wow! No less than The Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK!!!
Yeah Mister White!! SCIENCE!!!
A "what is prog thread" Thank you for posting this! - I'm in! - I've never much cared for the unofficial ban on the subject.
"Progressive rock was what happened in the early 70's when certain
brilliant instrumentalists got fed up with playing three-and-a-half
minute long songs about teenage love. Unfortunately, this led them
to start playing ten-and-a-half minute long songs about nothing in
particular."
Some of us also got tired of listening to 3 1/2 minute songs too! its not all the musicians fault!
I like the first observation, and wish the second part wasnt true. Music is always about something, the problem is its not always about something that can be discussed. Who makes that judgement? Well, not me, Obviously!
I got nothin' :
...avoiding any implication that I have ever entertained a cognizant thought.
live samples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwbCFGbAtFc
https://youtu.be/AEE5OZXJioE
https://soundcloud.com/yodelgoat/yod...om-a-live-show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUe3YhCjy6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VOCJokzL_s
Like the corners of my mind...Misty, watercolored memories.
>> please think twice before posting to r.m.p about a band just because you like them.
This is funny because it reminds you that r.m.p and a lot of newsgroup were each on "forum" so to speak. I think one of the reasons PE is so great is that there are really only three "main" areas to start threads. I dislike a lot of forums where there are lots of different section where you can start threads. Usually many of them are unnecessary, and things just end up seeming fragmented. PE is much more one big, happy family where we all get along.
Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?
Interviewer of reprobate ne'er-do-well musicians of the long-haired rock n' roll persuasion at: www.velvetthunder.co.uk and former scribe at Classic Rock Society. Only vaguely aware of anything other than music.
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Can it be that it was all so simple then? Or has time rewritten every line? If we had the chance to do it all again, tell me...would we? Could we?
ever make an epic post to the wrong group? I once flooded abmac.applications with thousands of nudes. yep, those were the days.
i.ain't.dead.irock
Thing is, r.m.p wasn't even the worst of them. alt.music.yes had that title locked up, from what I recall...
Interviewer of reprobate ne'er-do-well musicians of the long-haired rock n' roll persuasion at: www.velvetthunder.co.uk and former scribe at Classic Rock Society. Only vaguely aware of anything other than music.
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New Posts is the ONLY way to go IMO, I can't believe more people don't use it.
Interviewer of reprobate ne'er-do-well musicians of the long-haired rock n' roll persuasion at: www.velvetthunder.co.uk and former scribe at Classic Rock Society. Only vaguely aware of anything other than music.
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I see Moecurly has discovered his inner Streisand.
Hurtleturtled Out of Heaven - an electronic music composition, on CD and vinyl
https://michaelpdawson.bandcamp.com
http://www.waysidemusic.com/Music-Pr...MCD-spc-7.aspx
I can see Steve Howe, strumming the chords to Johnny B Goode and thinking to himself "why would I ever want to play anything that separates my own inner desire to express myself from these 3 basic chords?" and deciding that the intro to "Close to the edge" was just too fracking incomprehensible for everyone in the general public to understand, and therefore, it should just be replaced by a four tap hi-hat intro by the drummer - like a good intro to an AC/DC song.... Good gawd people, if we let the lowest common denominator determine everything that was ever released, where would we be? (Kind of where we are now?)
Thank God that for a brief, beautiful and underappreciated time, Popular music was actually made by musicians, and not by drug addicted, semi-deaf-and dumb music critics and the stupidest ogre's on the planet who could only comprehend 2 or 3 chord songs. I just wish more music critics of the 1970's - 1980's would have died of the drugs so readily available in the 80's. Geeze, I also wish Ted Bundy was more inclined to mass murder music critics instead of beautiful young girls years back when his skills might have actually been useful....
Glad the meds are finally kicking in...
I got nothin' :
...avoiding any implication that I have ever entertained a cognizant thought.
live samples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwbCFGbAtFc
https://youtu.be/AEE5OZXJioE
https://soundcloud.com/yodelgoat/yod...om-a-live-show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUe3YhCjy6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VOCJokzL_s
For the most part, rock music really started in 1977, apart from bands like the Velvet Underground the the Stooges. Even the prog from the later 70s was better. Punk and post-punk is way better than the old-fogey classic rock that preceded it and progressive music informed by punk, jazz and new wave is better than the stuff more classically inclined, which was written on such a rudimentary level that it's kind of a joke to people who actually understand classical music.
There are exceptions, of course, but the transition from punk to new wave to alternative was probably the defining canon of important rock music.
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Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?
Ever see Theatre of Blood? A Sixties film - half horror, half pitch-black comedy. It stars Vincent Price as the world's worst Shakespearian actor, who goes mad and sets about murdering the critics who have destroyed his career, and also features scenery-chewing performances from half a dozen or so of Britain's greatest lions of the stage and screen.
I never knew there was an unofficial ban.
It seemed more like a consensus among the old-timers that "What is prog?" was a pointless discussion: That everyone's definition was slightly or considerably different, that it was pointless to argue about the subject, and that this state of affairs was OK. And that you could thus bring up bands that only some, or maybe even just a few, would count as "prog" - like Zs, Deicide, The National, Punch Brothers, or Earth, Wind, and Fire - and they were perfectly valid subjects for discussion. I did know that when newbies brought up the "what is prog" issue, there was an outpouring of sarcasm from some, and an explanation of this consensus and state of affairs from others; I also remember one guy who jumped on saying that we needed to define it, and when it was explained to him that we had decided to decline that impossible task, he departed.
Last edited by Baribrotzer; 12-30-2017 at 01:00 PM.
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