So does that mean it was actually Sporty Spice who ruined Genesis?!Originally Posted by Halmyre
So does that mean it was actually Sporty Spice who ruined Genesis?!
No, absolutely not. It is a well known fact that it was Phil Collins who ruined Sporty Spice. Poor girl has never been the same since.....So does that mean it was actually Sporty Spice who ruined Genesis?!
Having never heard of any "Mel C" apart from Crim's Mel, I googled and found someone who I'd never heard of, but it looks like if you thought of the other Mel C first, it's time to turn in your prog card.
The studio version gets my vote too. The saxless versions leave me cold.
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Just for the record, in case anyone doesn't remember, my point was an allusion to something I posted a few yeras back. SOmeone was carrying on yet again about how Phil Collins "ruined' Genesis, but only referred to him by his last name. So I saw "Collins", and somehow my mind defaulted to Mel Collins (I had probably recently been listening to Islands, or maybe the Jacksonville show), and so I decided to start a thread with the facetious title "Did Mel Collins ruin Genesis?", as I somehow thought this brain fart deserved commemoration.
So you go from Mel Collins to Mel C to Sporty Spice, and you can see where one might end up with the impression that Melanie Chisholm who messed up Genesis.
(And there's absolutely no reason for me to know the actual names of any of the Spice Girls, other than the fact that I actually kinda had the hots for Sporty Spice at the time)
Old Spice wasn't much to look at, but always smelled fresh! :P
As far as the be;oved Spice Girls, Scary Spice (especially with those hair horns) was the girl for me!
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I tend to prefer the studio version, but I do like the two version on Great Deceiver boxset with David Cross on violin
I also like the Orpheum version quite a bit as well
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
I like the orpheum starless but it has to be hi volume to really feel it.
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I had difficulty with the solo guitar tone on this.
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Fripps? I think he sounds great on this.
If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.
"And it's only the giving
That makes you what you are" - Ian Anderson
Very cool. The song is sooooo much better with Fripp doing the entry solo rather than the violin.
Did it sound different to you than many previous versions? less delicate?.... I thought it did.
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Studio version is the best. No garbled lyrics, Mel Collins sax instead of David Cross violin, super polished.
There is a superb cover by The Unthanks which if you haven't heard is certainly worth a listen. Their use of the trumpet is somehow otherworldly. But then again, I'm a huge In thanks fan.
The Pittsburgh version was on a 1970s vinyl boot called Heretic; maybe your cassette was taken from that.
It's a close call, but I prefer the studio version.
Not alone! I was surprised by how many others said the same. As some have noted, the climax is sparser on a lot of the live versions, while the album version has a beautiful combination of crunching lows and soaring highs. Also there are some decorative additions on the Red version, like the screaming guitar ascent at 10:29 and the descent at 10:40, that I have never heard matched live.
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In full reverence to KC themselves, I submit District 97's cover as my favorite version. They were officially John Wetton's backup band before he passed, so it's not a casual relationship.
Here is a version from CTTE 2017, sung by a personal friend of John (Dennis). District 97 also did a version on their recent tour with Jamison Smeltz on the saxophone. I liked the saxophone version slightly better, but the CTTE version was incredibly emotional and blew my mind.
Start at 55:45.
Add my name to the list of folks who chose the studio version of "Starless" as the best one. I feel that by the time KC recorded the song for Red, the band had jelled after two years of road (and studio) work and it really shows on "Starless".
I guess my assumption of being quite alone in this is based on the circle of music friends who prefer the live-recordings. Nice to see many share my warm feelings for the studio-version.
Speaking of covers, I love this one from Craig Armstrong:
the new Chicago one? It has some teeth - I dunno - I just like it. Frippster uses a nice wide vibrato which is pretty nifty.
If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.
"And it's only the giving
That makes you what you are" - Ian Anderson
It sounds like the fans want bone-crunching heaviness, while the band wants something more like "Starless Starlight."
... “there’s a million ways to learn” (which there are, by the way), but ironically, there’s a million things to eat, I’m just not sure I want to eat them all. -- Jeff Berlin
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