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    Yes well if a band were big enough, they would pay that though. I don't see all these prog bands going to Canada.

    Any examples of bands touring Canada?

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    Plenty of bands play a date or 2 in the US and not in Canada you realize...

    Just think of all the festival bands for example as in ProgPower etc.

    Of course I'd prefer fewer restrictions but my original query was about bands significant enough to fully tour currently.

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    I live in Ottawa (the capital). We get some progressive acts but the Quebec City, Montreal, and Toronto corridor gets lots of progressive acts. Roger Waters recently played in Ottawa. I saw a Canadian Pink Floyd tribute band (Pigs) play in Ottawa about three weeks ago. I'm also going to see Steve Hackett in February 2018 in nearby Gatineau, Quebec (5 minutes from downtown Ottawa). Steven Wilson used to always from the the same venue as Hackett (a casino) but not in his most recent tour. I'm going to Montreal to see that show. There are several small progressive acts that play Ottawa (Mystery recently).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mozo-pg View Post
    I live in Ottawa (the capital). We get some progressive acts but the Quebec City, Montreal, and Toronto corridor gets lots of progressive acts. Roger Waters recently played in Ottawa. I saw a Canadian Pink Floyd tribute band (Pigs) play in Ottawa about three weeks ago. I'm also going to see Steve Hackett in February 2018 in nearby Gatineau, Quebec (5 minutes from downtown Ottawa). Steven Wilson used to always from the the same venue as Hackett (a casino) but not in his most recent tour. I'm going to Montreal to see that show. There are several small progressive acts that play Ottawa (Mystery recently).


    Very cool! What I'd like to point out is that the same bands all go to the US minus the Canadian bands and the reverse is true regarding smaller US prog bands not going to Canada.

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    So I have been looking at tour schedules and such and I think for Europe, Lazuli might be worth adding at some level and PFM slipped my mind and they definitely belong on the list.

    Am I leaving anyone else out? If you were to do a top 10 list by concert draw by country composed of its national acts, what do you think that would look like for France, Italy, Sweden, Mexico etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tribalfusion View Post
    So I have been looking at tour schedules and such and I think for Europe, Lazuli might be worth adding at some level ....
    Busiest / most active?

    Because ‘biggest’ in terms of DRAW? No way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    Busiest / most active?

    Because ‘biggest’ in terms of DRAW? No way.

    Other than the big bands whom I think I have already mentioned and who obviously were not the comparison point for them, who would be a bigger touring draw in Francophone Europe for example?

    Lazuli actually play outside of France which other than Magma, is extremely rare for a French group. Almost no non British groups (an exception for Opeth and a handful of prog metal or symphonic metal from Northern Europe etc) tour beyond national borders.

    So go ahead and tell me who is drawing bigger crowds from and in continental Europe. I would be more than happy to know and that's part of the reason I posted this thread in the first instance.

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    Are you asking for “biggest touring acts in prog today” or “biggest touring acts in Francophone Europe”???

    These are NOT the same questions. Not even remotely close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    Are you asking for “biggest touring acts in prog today” or “biggest touring acts in Francophone Europe”???

    These are NOT the same questions. Not even remotely close.
    If you have been reading the thread, you know well what I asked and that I already covered the big touring acts capable of going around the world and playing venues from 1000-5000 and of course above that, the few arena bands.

    In addition, I asked for the next level down from that i.e. bands capable of touring outside of their own country and doing a decent number of shows with anywhere from say 200 to 1000 people present.

    That's where I mentioned Lazuli which seems like one of the very few able to tour in multiple countries and not just prog fest one-offs. If you have some other suggestions I'd love to hear them but so far all I see from you is some record store/'comic book guy' attitude.

    I know very well that there's a difference between being one of the biggest bands in Francophone Europe (and playing in at least several other countries besides) and being Dream Theater or Roger Waters because like I said, I already discussed the latter types extensively here in addition to asking for the former type.

    Try and keep up before spraining your back bending over backwards to be 'that guy'
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    I apologize; I missed the post asking for next level down....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tribalfusion View Post
    All I see from you is some record store/'comic book guy' attitude.

    Try and keep up before spraining your back bending over backwards to be 'that guy'
    Steve F has been here forever. Trying to equate him to troll will only make you look like a troll. He isn't.

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    He apologized which I appreciate but the behavior prior to the apology wasn't cool and trying to paper over that will make YOU look like a troll.

    And if anything you ought to be more welcoming of new members like myself instead of intimating that I look like a troll when an old member antagonizes me needlessly because he jumps into the thread without reading and talks down to me for a mistake i not only didn't make but took pains to address.

    It's that kind of behavior that will really do wonders for the prog rock world.

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    Ahem, back to the original question. My guess would be that, after the remaining 'legacy' acts, the biggest prog (whatever the hell that is these days) bands would be the likes of Marillion, Dream Theater and some of the bigger prog-metal bands and also those jambands with proggish tendencies such as Phish and, especially, Umphrey's Mcgee. These certainly seem to be the acts most likely to keep prog alive as a musically and commercially-viable form in the immediate future, and in the case of the jambands especially, introduce a younger audience to the music.

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    Ahem, back to the original question. My guess would be that, after the remaining 'legacy' acts, the biggest prog (whatever the hell that is these days) bands would be the likes of Marillion, Dream Theater and some of the bigger prog-metal bands and also those jambands with proggish tendencies such as Phish and, especially, Umphrey's Mcgee. These certainly seem to be the acts most likely to keep prog alive as a musically and commercially-viable form in the immediate future, and in the case of the jambands especially, introduce a younger audience to the music.
    Yep I think that's pretty accurate and what I have found looking through the data with a few surprises here and there. Are you based in China and what sorts of prog shows do you see over there if so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tribalfusion View Post
    Yep I think that's pretty accurate and [...] if so?
    You really should check out who Steve F. is before eventually commencing. And I'm not saying that as a hint, or to moralize or whatever.

    The 'progressive rock' world is extremely small by today. But some names are more important.

    And this is not disputing that uncle. S. can't be an angry geezer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    You really should check out who Steve F. is before eventually commencing. And I'm not saying that as a hint, or to moralize or whatever.

    The 'progressive rock' world is extremely small by today. But some names are more important.

    And this is not disputing that uncle. S. can't be an angry geezer.

    Thanks I just am not sure I fully understood what you mean by checking him out before commencing (commencing what?) and some names are more important?

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    ^ It doesn't really matter. You'll understand eventually. And I don't intend to sound downputting at that.

    This is a great place, Tribalfusion. I've only been here since 2005 - and I'm still pretty new at things. But there's discussion - between parts in threads - and discourse, which runs along the years and involves folks with more or less important baggage. The 'more or less' factor is pretty relative as to what one knows of names etc.
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    Are you based in China and what sorts of prog shows do you see over there if so?
    I am indeed, in Ningbo, which is on the south side of Hangzhou Bay opposite Shanghai on the north side.




    Prog shows?? PROG SHOWS??? IN CHINA??????


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    Quote Originally Posted by kid_runningfox View Post
    I am indeed, in Ningbo, which is on the south side of Hangzhou Bay opposite Shanghai on the north side.




    Prog shows?? PROG SHOWS??? IN CHINA??????

    I happens sometimes:
    http://www.magmamusic.org/en/album/n...agma-in-china/

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    So I was just thinking about this thread today and wondering if anyone had any additions to make to the original discussion. I'd add Pineapple Thief and Riverside to that second category of bands able to tour internationally in decent theaters and I would also add Sons of Apollo and Flying Colors when both bands are able to make that happen in terms of overlapping schedules as well as Anathema and Neal Morse.

    I think at this point I would also add Pain of Salvation to the list along with Haken at the lower end as well as Carl Palmer's ELP Legacy, District 97 and Martin Barre along with them. Perhaps I should also mention Kindo and Thank You Scientist.

    I'm also still curious to know apart from Magma and PFM what might be some other non UK/US bands for this list. Goblin to some extent perhaps along with Banco and Le Orme but the latter 2 tour a bit too infrequently to assess them well, particularly outside of Italy (though they have done pretty well in some cases).

    Any bands you see doing this at any level beyond regional gigs in the near future? I'm sure there are a few more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid_runningfox View Post
    I am indeed, in Ningbo, which is on the south side of Hangzhou Bay opposite Shanghai on the north side.




    Prog shows?? PROG SHOWS??? IN CHINA??????


    I thought I'd check in with you and see if there have been any prog shows or tours in China since the thread started

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    Van der Graaf Generator will be touring next year (but not in N America, as ever...). Here in the States they are pretty unknown (they can fill a club or small theater, a few hundred people). But I looked at many of the venues they'll be playing in 2020 online, and they appear to fall into the 1,500 - 3,000 range. Pretty respectable. VdGG... one of those bands too unknown/small to approach the "bigness" of Genesis or Yes, etc, but too big to call "obscure." Kind of a moderately successful (though immensely respected) cult band.

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    I mentioned it on another thread, but was genuinely surprised by how many sell outs Steve Hackett had on his current UK tour. He's doing well...go to the bottom here:

    http://www.hackettsongs.com/news/newsTour2019.html

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