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    The First Progressive Rock SONG

    There's lots of discussion of the first Progressive Rock album, but what about if we limit it to the first Progressive Rock SONG? I'm guessing we get a bit earlier than 1968, but I'm going to stand back and let the opinions fly.

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    Don't know if these would be considered prog or precursors to prog, but here are some candidates from 1966: Tomorrow Never Knows, Eleanor Rigby, Help I'm A Rock (Mothers), Good Vibrations, A Quick One While He's Away (the Who). Prior to 66 and I think you'd have to go with something out of jazz.

    Wouldn't it be the ultimate in irony if the first "prog" song was a Beach Boys song?

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    shouldn't be too hard to figure out, what is the oldest album steven wilson has mixed in 5.1?

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    Gustav Holst's Mars, Bringer of War from The Planets suite.
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    We've had this discussion before. Many picked "Tomorrow Never Knows", while others point back to stuff like "Telstar" or even "The Nutrocker" (the original, not ELP's.)
    I'm holding out for the Wilson-mixed 5.1 super-duper walletbuster special anniversary extra adjectives edition.

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    1966 Interstellar Overdrive
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisoned Youth View Post
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    It's definitely something by Sinatra!

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    I submit for your consideration the following:
    "Mummie" by Robert Wyatt & Brian Hopper, late 1962/early 1963. "An improvised duet of guitar & vocals, switching speeds on the tape recorder whilst recording’’

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    Toccata and Fugue in D minor BWV 565 J. S. Bach
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    umm... last I checked, the definition of "Rock music" was incumbent upon a Kit Drum backbeat

    did the Classical music dudes use this backbeat thingy?
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER View Post
    umm... last I checked, the definition of "Rock music" was incumbent upon a Kit Drum backbeat

    did the Classical music dudes use this backbeat thingy?
    How do you think audiences felt about the work at the time? Not that there were very many. But it must have been at least something like what you and I felt the first time we got that old, familiar crawl up and down the spine.

    My argument is more that "progressive" music existed before rock music, and what we now call "progressive rock" is contemporary progressive music rendered on instruments of our period, our era.

    When that time has passed, so will have progressive rock. But progressive music will live on, healthier for the contributions to it from our time.

    Progressive music, eternal. As long as the species survives, it will too.
    Perhaps finding the happy medium is harder than we know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER View Post
    did the Classical music dudes use this backbeat thingy?
    Bach wasn't classical. He was late-Baroque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    Bach wasn't classical. He was late-Baroque.
    you mean *not* Rock?

    that's crazy talk!
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Well, we might as well just go here:


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    Quote Originally Posted by MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER View Post
    you mean *not* Rock?

    that's crazy talk!
    The sadly departed Kevin Meaney: "That's not right!"

    (a la " ... walking around with the puss on, that's not right!")

    Yeah.

    That's what I meant. Not rock. (?)
    Perhaps finding the happy medium is harder than we know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankh View Post
    Not rock.
    but... but... the title of the threa... uh, nevermind

    anywayz Eight Miles High was recorded at the end of 1965 in case ya didnt know
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Transgressive, undecipherable lyrics of subversive and symbolic depth, adventurous fantasy clothing, strange but impeccably creative stage-settings, subtly hidden variations in tempo, timbre and dynamic, and an overall dedication to yonder-gazing experimentalist vision. It's all here:

    "Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    Bach wasn't classical. He was late-Baroque.
    Yep. I recall reading that Bach's lead guitarist used to yell, "Go for Baroque!" every time he would launch into a solo. Hence the name.

    I still say they were just another Technical Classical band until Johann started ingesting massive quantities of psilocybin.

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    And The Kingsmen didn't originate the song. They were only the fourth recorded version, behind Richard Berry & The Pharoahs (#1), The Wailers (#2) and Little Bill and the Blue Notes (#3). And if you include live performances, not just recordings, The Dave Lewis Combo and The Frantics both had it in their setlist before the Kingsmen version came out. Paul Revere & The Raiders recorded it the same week (in April 1963), in the same studio, as The Kingsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    And The Kingsmen didn't originate the song.
    Exactly. They were pre-ELP in doing adaptations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moecurlythanu View Post
    Yep. I recall reading that Bach's lead guitarist used to yell, "Go for Baroque!" every time he would launch into a solo. Hence the name.

    I still say they were just another Technical Classical band until Johann started ingesting massive quantities of psilocybin.


    I can hear it now, then.

    "Can't you boys play any nice music!?"
    Perhaps finding the happy medium is harder than we know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpt3 View Post
    Well, we might as well just go here:

    I fuckin' HATE that song!

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