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    Quote Originally Posted by yamishogun View Post
    When I saw them on the lawn in 1992, a woman near me started to freak out when "Roll The Bones" was played and yelled pleasantries at the stage like: "You stupid c*** Neil ! God is real, atheist asshole!"
    Now I like it even more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Facelift View Post
    Because I was interested in knowing the reasons why people dislike it, other than the reason that I cited. How in the world was this not easily apparent to understand?
    It had more to do with your unreasonable "needling" of Impman over his assessment of the album rather than simply accepting it as his opinion. I don't for a second believe you were "just asking, because [you hadn't] encountered many strongly negative criticisms of this album over the years apart from that the listener found it boring/flat/undistinguished." The language you use is usually clear, but your reasons for saying it usually hint at an inscrutable intention to goad. AKA, I suppose, "troll," as everyone is always saying.

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    Roll the Bones was always a hard album for me as a Rush fan. On the one hand, it opens really strongly with "Dreamline" and "Bravado," but after that it goes downhill. There are moments here and there, but to me it's one of their weaker albums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    It had more to do with your unreasonable "needling" of Impman over his assessment of the album rather than simply accepting it as his opinion. I don't for a second believe you were "just asking, because [you hadn't] encountered many strongly negative criticisms of this album over the years apart from that the listener found it boring/flat/undistinguished." The language you use is usually clear, but your reasons for saying it usually hint at an inscrutable intention to goad. AKA, I suppose, "troll," as everyone is always saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impman View Post
    WESTCHESTER STRONG!
    Strongly regulated, anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    It had more to do with your unreasonable "needling" of Impman over his assessment of the album rather than simply accepting it as his opinion. I don't for a second believe you were "just asking, because [you hadn't] encountered many strongly negative criticisms of this album over the years apart from that the listener found it boring/flat/undistinguished." The language you use is usually clear, but your reasons for saying it usually hint at an inscrutable intention to goad. AKA, I suppose, "troll," as everyone is always saying.
    You completely misread this. And let's face it - that's happened several times before.

    There wasn't any "needling." T4E is an album that I've heard a particular kind of criticism about over the years, but not generally the kind that I usually find associated with other albums that people dislike. So, I was genuinely wondering exactly what it was that he disliked about it. T4E is so monotonous and samey that I was curious what it was about it that generated strong reactions of dislike. That's all there was to it. No trolling, no needling, no goading intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impman View Post
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    Strongly regulated, anyway...
    Strongly taxed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Facelift View Post
    You completely misread this. And let's face it - that's happened several times before.
    I guess that's true, many of us have had trouble interpreting your tone.

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    I come to this thread late and haven't read it all. I got into Rush (and indeed prog) through Hold Your Fire and Power Windows (and 90125), then explored the back catalogue. When Presto came out, I was a bit uncertain about it, but warmed to it. And then the same with Roll the Bones: bit uncertain, but warmed to it. I don't think it's as strong as the proceeding albums for me, but it's still in my "good Rush" pile, whereas for me it's Counterparts and subsequent where things go wrong.

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    Rush in their complacent, somnambulant phase, when they'd forgotten what made them interesting as a band and decided to concentrate on being 'mature songwriters.' Sadly, it turned out they weren't very good at it. The rap section on this album is unspeakably embarrassing, even more so now than then. Along with Presto the nadir of the band's back-catalogue.

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    Looks like I'm in the minority along with kid_running fox, oilersfan and a few others - I sum up this album as, "okay, who are these imposters and what have you done with the real Rush?" Unlistenable to me...
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    I had already checked out by the time this was released. Presto was the end for me, and that one pretty much sits on the shelf these days. With the possible exception of Power Windows and CA, every Rush album after Signals was a disappointment for me in varying levels. Regarding the "rap" - I had a bad feeling they might do something like that. Having heard them go from the Zep influence, to Genesis, to the Police, I thought "Oh god, they better not bring rap into it". First time I heard it on the radio I didn't know if I should laugh or cry! I know it was tongue-in-cheek, but some things are better left on funny home recordings.

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    Speaking of Great Dividers, maybe we should start a thread on Different Stages and Rush's abandoning of the clinical production of live CDs for a more raw sound?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    Speaking of Great Dividers, maybe we should start a thread on Different Stages and Rush's abandoning of the clinical production of live CDs for a more raw sound?
    Exit..Stage Left is the only live Rush album I'd characterize as clinical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ytserush View Post
    Exit..Stage Left is the only live Rush album I'd characterize as clinical.
    Not "A Show of Hands?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    Not "A Show of Hands?"
    Musicianship? Probably. Production? It breathes a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ytserush View Post
    Musicianship? Probably. Production? It breathes a bit.
    I do like the album.

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    I like "A Show of Hands" but it's still polished to a sheen
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    Quote Originally Posted by kid_runningfox View Post
    Rush in their complacent, somnambulant phase, when they'd forgotten what made them interesting as a band and decided to concentrate on being 'mature songwriters.' Sadly, it turned out they weren't very good at it. The rap section on this album is unspeakably embarrassing, even more so now than then. Along with Presto the nadir of the band's back-catalogue.
    I would think that rap should be taken tongue-in-cheek. It kind of became more obvious with their new live video from R40. I still prefer the old video during the rap, but they decided to change it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ytserush View Post
    I love Test For Echo except for maybe the first and last tracks. One of the main reasons is the decision to return to the acoustic guitar.

    I'd would have loved to have heard Totem and The Color Of Right live, but Half The World and Resist were killer live.

    This one was another dud for me: with the exception of Resist and the title track I recall that every other song has what seems like exactly the same tempo and rhythmic feel. One of Rush's least inspiring albums for that very reason, imho, and a significant step down after the largely excellent Counterparts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ytserush View Post
    I would think that rap should be taken tongue-in-cheek.
    Granted, but even realizing that I still find it utterly cringeworthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    I like "A Show of Hands" but it's still polished to a sheen
    Maybe to a degree, but It think there's a good balance of live and a raw feel to it.

    Of course most of the music on that tour was precise and allowed for little improv (such as the outro to Closer To The Heart was about a spontaneous as it got.)

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