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    Tim Buckley "The Complete Album Collection" coming

    It's actually not complete, since it doesn't include his last couple of albums, Sefronia and Look at the Fool, but those two are lesser efforts, anyway. It does contain Starsailor, which has been out of print for years, and Works in Progress, which was only available as an expensive Rhino Handmade release. I already have all of them except Starsailor, but since they're all remastered, I might spring for this if the price is right. It appears to be a domestic release, not an import. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0752BL3BD/?tag=imwan-21

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    Indeed, it doesn't seem to be complete, since Sefronia and the other stinker are not in the box (not complaining though)

    TBH, I already own Lorca, Happy Sad and Greetings twice each (yeah, I was given the cheap box set as a BD gift), and I'd love to own a legit Starsailor (I have a CD-r, though), but don't care much for Blue Afternoon, though (yeah, shoot me ).
    As for the first two albums, I don't really need them either - though there are some really good tracks on H&G.


    Sooo unless fairly/really cheap, I'd pass up on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Starsailor (I have a CD-r, though), but don't care much for Blue Afternoon, though
    Starsailor was reissued on lim. ed. vinyl some eight years back. Turntable often helps. And while its 'avant-garde' reputation is granted, it's actually also the man's most 'full-band electric rock' release.

    Blue Afternoon is his single finest pure 'singer-songwriter' album, IMO. Happy Sad and Goodbye & Hello may contain bigger highs, but Blue is altogether more consistent. "Happy Time", "Chase Your Blues Away", "Blue Melody" and especially "I Must Have Been Blind" are all essential performances of his, sporting some of his most impressive lyrics and vocal inputs.
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    Lorca is different from Starsailor and not as OUT, although it as good as Starsailor, imo . Essential.

    As is Happy Sad.

    Lorca, Starsailor & Happy Sad are the three pinnacles for me; still digesting on Blue Afternoon, although I 'like' it.

    Also really great: Live At The Troubadour 1969.

    Still have not heard the last 3 albums (Greetings, Fool, Sefronia).
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    p.s.

    Interesting that all the freaks come out for the Tim Buckley thread....
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    Might need to get this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    Also really great: Live At The Troubadour 1969.
    You might be interested in this:
    http://www.imwan.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=103589

    A bit of a deluge of upcoming Buckley releases.

    Any interested parties could do worse than this older release:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mornin...kley_Anthology

    For some reason Lorca was passed over and 'Dolphins' was not included but it samples from most everything else, including some of those Edsel live albums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    Lorca is different from Starsailor and not as OUT, although it as good as Starsailor, imo . Essential.

    As is Happy Sad.

    Lorca, Starsailor & Happy Sad are the three pinnacles for me; still digesting on Blue Afternoon, although I 'like' it.

    Also really great: Live At The Troubadour 1969.

    Still have not heard the last 3 albums (Greetings, Fool, Sefronia).
    Totally agreed about my fave three, though afterwards Greetings ranks higher than BA, IMHO, despite being much mess "experimental' and more straightforward,; but there is an amazing energy on that one (avoid Sefronia and Fool, they're absolutely bland)

    the Troubadour disc is another must.
    The Copenhagen set is not as essential, but if you want to hear Danny Thompson (Pentangle) backing Buckley without rehearsal, that's where to get an ear on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    Any interested parties could do worse than this older release:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mornin...kley_Anthology

    For some reason Lorca was passed over and 'Dolphins' was not included but it samples from most everything else, including some of those Edsel live albums.
    For interested parties, we have deleted copies of this for sale quite inexpensively:

    http://www.waysidemusic.com/Music-Pr...spc-76722.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    Yes, very interested, although 5 days of shows is a bit much. Not sure I need 4 CDs covering 5 days of shows. He improvised, but not that much....

    Thanks for that link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Greetings ranks higher than BA, IMHO, despite being much mess "experimental' and more straightforward
    Are you sure you're not confusing Blue Afternoon with Lorca here? As BA contrasts quite radically With both Lorca and Starsailor in actually being a very (well, all is relative) "straight-forward songs" album. While Greetings, OTOH, introduces the soul strings and keyboards and more.

    Are you DAMN SURE?!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Are you sure you're not confusing Blue Afternoon with Lorca here? As BA contrasts quite radically With both Lorca and Starsailor in actually being a very (well, all is relative) "straight-forward songs" album. While Greetings, OTOH, introduces the soul strings and keyboards and more.

    Are you DAMN SURE?!!
    I'm not about to confuse the excellent and lively Greetings with the soporific Blue Afternoon. Or with Lorca, FTM.

    in terms of experimental music, I'd class them in the order

    Lorca
    Starsailor,
    Happy/Sad
    Greetings,
    Blue Afternoon
    G&H
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Totally agreed about my fave three, though afterwards Greetings ranks higher than BA, IMHO, despite being much mess "experimental' and more straightforward,; but there is an amazing energy on that one (avoid Sefronia and Fool, they're absolutely bland)

    the Troubadour disc is another must.
    The Copenhagen set is not as essential, but if you want to hear Danny Thompson (Pentangle) backing Buckley without rehearsal, that's where to get an ear on it.

    1. Heard and really did NOT like Greetings From L.A. But thank you for spurring me to hear it.

    2. When you say Copenhagen with Danny Thompson, dont you mean Dream Letter, which is London??? What is Copenhagen?
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    ^Steve, I thought that too but then I saw this...although Danny Thompson is not on it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_Tapes

    Never heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    ^Steve, I thought that too but then I saw this...although Danny Thompson is not on it [...] Never heard it.
    Instead of monster Thompson, it's got Godster N.H. Ørsted-Pedersen, arguably the single greatest jazz bassist ever from Scandinavia - of near-Mingus'ian proportions. It's a good set, but the recording quality leaves a bit desire and the song selection pretty much overlaps with that of the somewhat superior L.A. Troubadour. Some of Buckley's scat improvs take off almost indefinitely here, but are held together not least by the firm confidence of a capacity like Ørsted-Pedersen. Still, it's nowhere near essential.

    Dream Letter was the first live document I ever got by Buckley, back when Demon Records first issued it on vinyl. However, he seems a bit uptight (i.e. sober) and tense on it, meaning the Troubadour set is preferable. He's got his full band with him too on that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    1. Heard and really did NOT like Greetings From L.A. But thank you for spurring me to hear it.

    2. When you say Copenhagen with Danny Thompson, dont you mean Dream Letter, which is London??? What is Copenhagen?
    1. Sorry you didn't like Greetings, but give it another shot if you wish... it wasn't an immediate success with me either.

    2. Absolutely my bad, it is Dream Letter with Thompson on bass.

    I understand how I got screwed up, though... The Copenhagen set includes mostly Happy Sad tracks, and on the studio album Happy Sad, there is a track called Dream Letter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Instead of monster Thompson, it's got Godster N.H. Ørsted-Pedersen, arguably the single greatest jazz bassist ever from Scandinavia - of near-Mingus'ian proportions.
    Yes, I know him from his (later) association with the great Oscar Peterson.

    Quite a few live albums by Buckley- well served in that regard compared to many of his peers.

    With regard to Dream Letter, I'm unclear of the provenance- it has an intro by a BBC Radio 1 DJ Pete Drummond but this wasn't a radio broadcast, was it? It's before the likes of In Concert (John Peel usually introduced that) and in any case, it's much longer than broadcasts on that show usually were.

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    I am surprised that no one has jumped yet to say how irritating his voice is, how bad his technique and how beautiful his music would be if it wasn't for this voice.

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    I am surprised that no one has jumped yet to say how irritating his voice is, how bad his technique and how beautiful his music would be if it wasn't for this voice.


    Indeed. And how much better Diamanda Galás' music would be if she could only start singing a bit more like Celine Dion. Kellogg's too would be much better off recording hardcore porn loops than producing that awful cereal. And PE shouldn't be an online discussion forum but a blowup plastic hat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    Yes, I know him from his (later) association with the great Oscar Peterson.

    Quite a few live albums by Buckley- well served in that regard compared to many of his peers.

    With regard to Dream Letter, I'm unclear of the provenance- it has an intro by a BBC Radio 1 DJ Pete Drummond but this wasn't a radio broadcast, was it? It's before the likes of In Concert (John Peel usually introduced that) and in any case, it's much longer than broadcasts on that show usually were.
    Drummond just happened to be in the audience and, as he says, someone spotted him and asked him to introduce the show.

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    Blue Afternoon sums Tim's extra-terrestrial talent in the most cohere and crystal-clear way, and it's the one I reach out the most often - especially Sunday mornings, even my wife likes it. But I have to add I am not very familiar with his post-Lorca output, I keep reminding myself to listen seriously to Starsailor but I forget. Maybe I am ready for it now...

    Pity he was claimed back to his original planet so early. Pity for us of course, not for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    Blue Afternoon sums Tim's extra-terrestrial talent in the most cohere and crystal-clear way, and it's the one I reach out the most often [...] I have to add I am not very familiar with his post-Lorca output, [...]

    Pity he was claimed back to his original planet so early. Pity for us of course, not for him.
    As for Blue Afternoon: Yeah. It's one of my fave 'second drinkday' opening choices, with that reassuring and ethereal aura to it.

    Starsailor is nowhere near as "difficult" as it's made out to be. Except for that amazing title track, that is. It's actually quite raw and groovy in Places, tricky and refined in others. Greetings has a couple of great tracks, but never left me too much of an impression; the 'Van Morrison' antic didn't really fit or stick. Sefronia is weak and ill-advised, albeit for a couple of highlights. Truth be told, he wasn't worse at orchestral adult pop than the sexy funk'n'soul thang of his previous effort. Still, the only really, really bad album he created was Look at the Fool; seriously uninspired and featuring nothing even remotely memorable, he's simply not into this at all - not the songs themselves, not the arrangements, not the performance. Avoid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor;729439
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    Starsailor[/I] is nowhere near as "difficult" as it's made out to be.
    It's only crazy difficult if you were a long time fan and wanted Goodbye and Hello again....
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    ^ Ha-ha, I guess so. But his music had that stain of abstract experimentalism right from the start, as in "Song Slowly Sung" already on the debut. SOme of those ensemble setups on Goodbye & Hello are pretty quirky as well, and Happy Sad represented not only an advancement but a radical turn off that path. The point being that the man had established himself as a force of uncompromizing and unpredictable Identity in folk/pop/jazz.

    Lorca remains his most daring effort/achievement - and that gloomy title track in particular. Some of his motions in vocalizations there are almost uncanny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Lorca remains his most daring effort/achievement - and that gloomy title track in particular. Some of his motions in vocalizations there are almost uncanny.
    Lorca tends to be the studio album I reach for the most.
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