David Gilmour Live at Pompeii coming 9/29

[JKL2000]

"The voice and guitar of Pink Floyd"...

Wasn't RW billing his tour "The musical genius of Pink Floyd"?

Do I sense a tit-for-tat?

I love them both but billing himself as "The Musical Genius of Pink Floyd" is friggin' pompous and dismissive of the other band members as well as Syd.

[Trane]

All trace of The Girl In The Yellow Dress seems to have been studiously removed (thank god!)

no frigging kidding... Dave oughta do like Roger.... group all his solo album tracks (that includes aMLOR if there are any) in a first set and group all the Floyd ones (the vreal ones) in a second set, so the late arrivals haven't missed anything

"The voice and guitar of Pink Floyd"...

Wasn't RW billing his tour "The musical genius of Pink Floyd"?

Do I sense a tit-for-tat?

Dave solo has been promoted like that for years in Continental Europe

And I've never heard the Floyd musical genius tidbit, but it's both promoters ideas , not Rog&Dave's.

I love them both but billing himself as "The Musical Genius of Pink Floyd" is friggin' pompous and dismissive of the other band members as well as Syd.

Well, Dave playing Pompeii is pompous (and false, since he's not playing on the site itself), recycling a Roger idea.

[Frumious B]

Gdansk is really good and the presence of Rick Wright plus one of the best live recordings of "Echoes" you will ever hear made it "nearly" Floyd, but I haven't decided if I'm a buyer for Pompeii or not.

[calyx]

Dave playing Pompeii is pompous (and false, since he's not playing on the site itself), recycling a Roger idea.

What exactly do you mean ?
I thought the gigs were played in that very same amphitheatre, only with an audience. I haven't so far read anything suggesting otherwise.

[JKL2000]

Well, Dave playing Pompeii is pompous (and false, since he's not playing on the site itself), recycling a Roger idea.

So when the advertising copy states of these two recent shows "The performances were the first-ever rock concerts for an audience in the stone Roman amphitheatre" it's not accurate? What about the photo on the cover, is it faked or in a different amphitheater? I'm not doubting you, this is just the first I've heard that they're misleading people.

[calyx]

So when the advertising copy states of these two recent shows "The performances were the first-ever rock concerts for an audience in the stone Roman amphitheatre" it's not accurate? What about the photo on the cover, is it faked or in a different amphitheater? I'm not doubting you, this is just the first I've heard that they're misleading people.

I think "for an audience" are the key words here - PF played to an empty theatre back in 1971...

[JKL2000]

I think "for an audience" are the key words here - PF played to an empty theatre back in 1971...

How does that mean they're "not playing on the site itself?" Where are they playing?

[calyx]

How does that mean they're "not playing on the site itself?" Where are they playing?

I don't know - I'm disputing that claim until he gives me a good reason to think otherwise. I'd assumed it was the exact same amphitheatre they used in 1971.

[JKL2000]

I don't know - I'm disputing that claim until he gives me a good reason to think otherwise. I'd assumed it was the exact same amphitheatre they used in 1971.

Maybe Trane's press secretary will hold a press conference to explain... I've been to Pompeii and AFAICR there's only one amphitheater there.

[Trane]

What exactly do you mean ?
I thought the gigs were played in that very same amphitheatre, only with an audience. I haven't so far read anything suggesting otherwise.

Well, from what I've seen from the promo films, the "stadium" looks a little big for it to be the antique roman ruins

I think "for an audience" are the key words here - PF played to an empty theatre back in 1971...

Yeah, I suppose whatever tourists happening that day and interested enough to roast in the sun until "those hippies/freaks" finished setting up for whatever they were doing later on in the day. We're not in the 70's anymore, with minimum gear and a little paw-greasing to look away at what the band was doing.

I could be totally wrong about it, but this was a heavily advertised event, and surely site-defenders followed that from close up, if it was happening on the protected grounds

How does that mean they're "not playing on the site itself?" Where are they playing?

My guess is they're not in situ... I really can't see a protected site like Pompeii hosting a (big) rock concert, with all that it entails for formalities and special permissions
My guess is that they're extra-muros, but close enough to be within sight of the Vesuvius.
I don't think this concert is playing in a modern football stadium either, because the Naples football team stadium must certainly seat between 60 and 80K (could be totally wrong about this)... And look at how far we are from the Vesuvius and how much lit grounds (most likely Naples city outskirts) around the venue.

Maybe Trane's press secretary will hold a press conference to explain... I've been to Pompeii and AFAICR there's only one amphitheater there.

Yup, I'll agree with you (I was there myself in the late-70's)...
But again, I don't see a protected UNESCO-site like that allowing a concert on its grounds, without doing permanent damages to the grounds... But I can see a fake/temporary stadium (scaffholding) being built for the event in a less-sensitive area.

[JKL2000]

Well, from what I've seen from the promo, the "stadium looks a little big for it to be the antique roman ruins

Yeah, I suppose whatever tourists happening that day and interested enough to roast in the sun until "those hippies/freaks" finished setting up for whatever they were doing later on in the day

My guess is they're not... I really can't see a protected site like Pompeii hosting a rock concert, with all that it entails for formalities and special permissions
My guess is that they're extra-muros, but close enough to be within site of the Vesuvius.

I don't think this concert is playing in a modern football stadium either, because the Naples football team stadium must certainly seat between 60 and 80K

Yup, I'll agree with you (I was there myself in the late-70's)...
But again, I don't see a protected UNESCO-site like that allowing a concert on its grounds... But I can see a fake/temporary stadium (scaffholding) being built for the event

You must be right, like the 1969 moon landing was faked. He even fooled The Guardian and other news outlets:

For this run of shows, part of the Rattle That Lock world tour, Gilmour has largely spurned the vast arenas of the modern rock tour and opted instead for a run of heritage sites – Circus Maximus in Rome, a chateau in Chantilly, amphitheatres in Verona and Nîmes...

Hosting a modern rock concert at a Unesco world heritage site and the oldest surviving Roman amphitheatre in the world is, it transpires, something of a logistical operation...

https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...ii-live-review

https://www.theguardian.com/artandde...-a-photo-essay

They have some good faked photos too!:

[calyx]

I could be totally wrong about it.

I found this to be the most convincing part of your argument... ;-)

Seriously though, I get what you say about this being a protected site, etc., but in 2016 as in 1971 only the "ground level" of the amphitheatre was used, not the bleacher/terraces. As long as those were kept off-limits for the concert, I don't think the site was in danger.

As for 1971, I see no reason to think that they somehow illegally filmed there. In fact, they had limited time to shoot (as per their agreement with those in charge of the site), which is why 2/5ths of the film was shot in Boulogne-Billancourt near Paris (where I am right now). To imagine this could have been done without any official permission is simply crazy, given the amount of noise involved.

[Trane]

Obviously you had more time than me to check out the facts between my posts (I was out kayaking in the Ardennes' Lesse River and just returned 20 mins before answering

This morning, all I knew about this was whatever promo films was posted on this thread .... which was indeed probably too few to go on and make assumptions

All the more power to Dave, then.

I found this to be the most convincing part of your argument... ;-)

Seriously though, I get what you say about this being a protected site, etc., but in 2016 as in 1971 only the "ground level" of the amphitheatre was used, not the bleacher/terraces. As long as those were kept off-limits for the concert, I don't think the site was in danger.

As for 1971, I see no reason to think that they somehow illegally filmed there. In fact, they had limited time to shoot (as per their agreement with those in charge of the site), which is why 2/5ths of the film was shot in Boulogne-Billancourt near Paris (where I am right now). To imagine this could have been done without any official permission is simply crazy, given the amount of noise involved.

I didn't say they filmed the 71 film illegally, but I'm pretty sutre there was some "graissage de patte" (we are, aftyer all, in the heart of Italy's corruption craddle). It was most likely "de rigueur", if you didn't want to see a whole bunch of red tape bureaucracy popping up before the entrance gate and delaying the project ad infinitum

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BTW, the amphitheatre looks much renovated or more excavated than in the 71 Floyd film and my passage some years later.

[JKL2000]

Obviously you had more time than me to check out the facts between my posts (I was out kayaking in the Ardennes' Lesse River and just returned 20 mins before answering

This morning, all I knew about this was whatever promo films was posted on this thread .... which was indeed probably too few to go on and make assumptions

I see. I guess I shouldn't have taken your statement that "Dave playing Pompeii is...false, since he's not playing on the site itself" at face value. You seemed so certain, as if you HAD researched it. All I did was a simple Google search to find the news articles.

[mozo-pg]

Encore:
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Thanks!

[Trane]

I see. I guess I shouldn't have taken your statement that "Dave playing Pompeii is...false, since he's not playing on the site itself" at face value. You seemed so certain, as if you HAD researched it. All I did was a simple Google search to find the news articles.

Well, TBH, I posted in a hurry as I was kind of running late to go kayaking... So I didn't have time to check out facts myself.

I'm more of a "oh wait a minute, what about feasability & safety issues" guy, given my older professional activities (environement and safety prevention)

It seemed to me soooo absurd to take such risks with an endangered site (as the authorities claim) from over-crowding as to even allow extra-curricular activities in situ...

But then again maybe this kind of event will provide enough extra revenues to allow a better protection plan. But most likely, this kind of high profile event will provoke even more touristical pressure onto the site.

[JKL2000]

Well, TBH, I posted in a hurry as I was kind of running late to go kayaking... So I didn't have time to check out facts myself.

That's why I would have included a qualifier like "I'm just guessing here," or "I have zero proof" before basically accusing Gilmour of fraud.

[Trane]

That's why it might have been good to include a qualifier like "I'm just guessing here," or "I have zero proof" before basically accusing Gilmour of fraud.

yup, that was a poor decision of mine

[Man In The Mountain]

The ancient stadium is real, but Dave was a well constructed automated puppet. Dave is very sensitive to heat and dust, so there's no way he could actually perform there. But the likeness and mobility of the puppet is uncanny! Being a marionette geek myself I'm sold on the DVD just based on this alone. Otherwise I wouldn't bother, the set list is horrid.

[Paulrus]

But then again maybe this kind of event will provide enough extra revenues...

IMO this is the main reason Floyd were allowed to play there in '71, and why Gilmour was allowed to play there again years later.

[Steve983]

I'm tempted by the cd & blu ray box set. Was very lucky to see him in Brighton at the very start of the tour, great show with strong memories.

[jamesmanzi]

"The voice and guitar of Pink Floyd"...

Wasn't RW billing his tour "The musical genius of Pink Floyd"?

Do I sense a tit-for-tat?

I hear Nick Mason is hyping his upcoming tour as "One of the Other Guys of Pink Floyd."

[JKL2000]

I hear Nick Mason is hyping his upcoming tour as "One of the Other Guys of Pink Floyd."

"Nick : Pink Floyd as Ringo : The Beatles"

[paythesnuka]

All I did was a simple Google search to find the news articles.

This made me LOL!

[Scott Bails]

This made me LOL!

Yeah. Who knew that Jed knows how to use Google?