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    I can hear that too, yeah

    I happen to love Touch and Go as done by ELPowell...it hit all the right notes for me. The later redo that ELPalmer did left me cold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    I happen to love Touch and Go as done by ELPowell...it hit all the right notes for me.
    Me too, love that song! Also a very effective and inventive classical integration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    In truth, I kind of assumed that Palmer's time with Asia had greatly influenced what he brought to the table with Black Moon and ITHS. I mean, the title track from Black Moon was more or less the ELP version of Rock & Roll Dream.

    It's also entirely possible that he did little/nothing at all...all the drums are pretty much sampled sounds which certainly could've been programmed without much fuss.
    Lake also collaborated with Downes in 1988-1989. Some of the Lake/Downes material was used by ELP.

    Downes has always had the effect of diluting the quality of any musicians who work with him: Asia (Palmer, Wetton, Howe), Yes, Lake.

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    You know, I used to crack pretty hard on Downes back in the day but I've kinda reconsidered that approach. 'Fly From Here' was for me the best Yes album in a long time, in no small part due to his keyboard contributions. And the two Downes Braide Association albums are pretty fine synth-heavy pop music. Maybe not Close to the Edge, but still pretty good.

    Obviously very much IMHO, and others can/will feel differently.
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    Downes has always had the effect of diluting the quality of any musicians who work with him: Asia (Palmer, Wetton, Howe), Yes, Lake.
    IMHO Downes' contribution to Yes on "Drama" was far superior to what Wakeman had done on "Tormato". Definitely no drop in quality there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    I can hear that too, yeah

    I happen to love Touch and Go as done by ELPowell...it hit all the right notes for me. The later redo that ELPalmer did left me cold.
    Me too, love that song! Also a very effective and inventive classical integration.

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    so supposedly they were going to reissue 17 albums. after this pair they will have done the 11 main albums. then if you consider including works live albert hall and now as three more albums makes 14 what are the final 3?

    I am guessing live in Poland, live at high voltage are sure things maybe live at montreux also. I think they should do a disc of tracks that have come out in various places like return of hte manticore etc. also maybe the anthology counts as another.

    there are loads of vintage live recordings of course but they do seem to be going in chronological order at this point.

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    Not sure it needs another thread but there's a big box coming:

    https://emersonlakeandpalmer.pmstores.co/

    Of particular note is the 1972/3 live material. Surely this should get a separate release?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    Not sure it needs another thread but there's a big box coming:

    https://emersonlakeandpalmer.pmstores.co/

    Of particular note is the 1972/3 live material. Surely this should get a separate release?
    so I think I may bite on this as I have not bought any of the recent remasters after they stopped including the 5.1 mixes. but will it include the bonus tracks? I have a fear that this is gonna be one of those the album disc only contains the album type of box sets and leave the bonus tracks out.

    the main reason I think this is that albums that were recently reissued with a bonus live concert added on the second disc are not listed as 2 disc sets. I am mainly hoping they will include the actual directly related bonus material like the alternate takes on the debut and tarkus etc so I could happily sell those off. but Brain Salad Surgery had a whole disc of those things which presumably is not included.

    certainly the most complete box yet but I have a feeling it is still gonna be incomplete which is silly given the size and cost.

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    ^Well again it doesn't mention the material exclusive to that Return Of The Manticore box.

    I think the live version of 'Hoedown' which was an extra on some versions of Trilogy was from one of these '73 Italian gigs. Always wondered about the rest of those shows...and why it's taken so long to do anything with the multi-tracks. Wasn't the Manticore Special documentary filmed around that time too?

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    also just noticed this on the listing what the heck is a vanilla cd?

    "13 x card wallet CDs, containing: The remastered 11 original albums (1970-94) (first time as vanilla CD) "

    also that seems to confirm that the bonus live discs included in pictures at a exhibition works II black moon and in the hot seat will not be included here.

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    ^'Vanilla' means no extras, I think. Have to admire the chutzpah of that being a selling point.

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    I'm holding out for pistachio CDs. And the way the ELP catalog keeps being recycled, we'll probably get 'em, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    ^'Vanilla' means no extras, I think. Have to admire the chutzpah of that being a selling point.
    wow you are probably right. insane. although it has to be said works 1 and welcome back my friends had no extras in their recent reissues so it is a lie that they are all vanilla for the first time...

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    It's maddening that they have never added on a version of the regular tour encore of Pictures... to Welcome Back. They used audience recordings as extras for the Sanctuary version of Works Volume 1 so I'd have settled for that if nothing else was available.

    Similarly, the omission of 'Pirates' from the Works Live album is baffling, as it was by far the highlight of that period IMHO. It was played in the Montreal show which was the basis for much of that CD and made it into the videotape of that show!

    I hope they do separate releases of the early 70s live releases. The OGWT footage mentioned is I think from Memphis 1978? Nothing else very interesting here. By the 90s they were sticking to the script in their live shows...nothing really like that 'Aquatarkus' on Welcome Back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post

    I hope they do separate releases of the early 70s live releases. The OGWT footage mentioned is I think from Memphis 1978? Nothing else very interesting here. By the 90s they were sticking to the script in their live shows...nothing really like that 'Aquatarkus' on Welcome Back...
    agreed the main interest here is the 73 show to my knowledge they have never officially released anything from 1973. also this is another time they have not included a 1998 show which did feature some unique things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Triscuits View Post
    I'm holding out for pistachio CDs. And the way the ELP catalog keeps being recycled, we'll probably get 'em, too.
    Pistachio CDs will be fine, though I'm alright with macadamia, almond or pecan CDs as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gojikranz View Post
    agreed the main interest here is the 73 show to my knowledge they have never officially released anything from 1973. also this is another time they have not included a 1998 show which did feature some unique things.
    No full shows...but a few tracks have appeared. Welcome Back... has the 'Jeremy Bender/The Sheriff' from 1973, I now reckon that was from one of these shows. (Everything else on the triple album was from 1974.) And there is also that Milan 'Hoedown' which has been on a few CDs.

    It does appear that the Manticore Special documentary has footage from one of these Italy shows....specifically the Milan one, 4th May 1973. Here is the reported set-list:

    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/emers...y-bdcc902.html

    Even by this point they had all but given up on much of Trilogy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    No full shows...but a few tracks have appeared. Welcome Back... has the 'Jeremy Bender/The Sheriff' from 1973, I now reckon that was from one of these shows. (Everything else on the triple album was from 1974.) And there is also that Milan 'Hoedown' which has been on a few CDs.

    It does appear that the Manticore Special documentary has footage from one of these Italy shows....specifically the Milan one, 4th May 1973. Here is the reported set-list:

    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/emers...y-bdcc902.html

    Even by this point they had all but given up on much of Trilogy.
    I think I have a 73 bootleg and some of the BSS stuff is interesting as it is earlier versions of it.

    anyone know the setlist for Pocono (nothing on setlist.fm). if that had a recording of trilogy could be nice still not official release of that live the two shows on either side of it do not have it though so not holding out high hopes.

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    ^Going by this, it was only an hour-long set:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_10

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    ^Going by this, it was only an hour-long set:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_10
    wow they came on at 4:00AM hopefully they flew in from England so it felt like a normal time for them. so basically it will be the mar y sol setlist but maybe no rondo. meh.

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    ^Pretty much.

    The early parts of the Trilogy tour are the missing link- things like 'The Endless Enigma', 'Trilogy' itself and 'Abaddon's Bolero' were played but not for long, alas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gojikranz View Post
    I think I have a 73 bootleg and some of the BSS stuff is interesting as it is earlier versions of it.

    anyone know the setlist for Pocono (nothing on setlist.fm). if that had a recording of trilogy could be nice still not official release of that live the two shows on either side of it do not have it though so not holding out high hopes.
    Karn Evil 9 was in its original key on some of those early shows featuring BSS material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    ^Pretty much.

    The early parts of the Trilogy tour are the missing link- things like 'The Endless Enigma', 'Trilogy' itself and 'Abaddon's Bolero' were played but not for long, alas.
    "Abaddon's Bolero" was scrapped since the tapes for the Mellotron broke.

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