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    YMMV. Black Dog is LZ's masterpiece to me, Rock And Roll nowhere near as magic a composition. YMMV. (Yellow Men Masticate Vegetables)

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    ^^^^^ What arabicadabra said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jubal View Post
    I never understood why LZ IV started with Black Dog. Rock And Roll was the obvious choice.
    Termendous 1-2 punch to start with ... Doesn't matter the order... Side 1 is amazing...

    the flipside pales so much in comparison that it almosts sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    .. Side 1 is amazing...

    the flipside pales so much in comparison that it almosts sucks.
    I respectfully disagree with you on this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Side 2 is amazing...

    the flipside pales so much in comparison that it almosts sucks.
    Yep.

    "Four Sticks", "Going to California" and "Levee" were three of their very best recordings. "The Battle of..." was splendid too, and not just for Sandy D. The remaining tracks on side 1 I didn't care for even back when I was an ardent Lez fan.
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    Black Dog is the perfect opener for that album, I couldn't imagine it any other way.


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    The Rolling Stones' Their Satanic Majesties Request in a bit under-rated in my book but the opening track, "Sing This All Together" is a stinker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garyhead View Post
    Yes - Going For The One. Love the rest of the album.....never could finish the opening track.......melody out of character / range for Anderson.
    I get this one. My least favorite track on one of my favorite albums by Yes. Howe trying to do "rock n roll".......just never quite worked to my ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    The Rolling Stones' Their Satanic Majesties Request in a bit under-rated in my book but the opening track, "Sing This All Together" is a stinker.
    It's not the only one- its similarly named counterpart '...See What Happens' and 'Gomper' are the worst recordings in their entire catalogue. I agree that the other 3/4 or so of the album is fine.

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    Kevin Gilbert's opening track on "Thud" is "When You Give Your Love To Me", which is a great tune, but I've always wondered why he didn't go with "Goodness Gracious" as the kickass opener and put WYGYLTM somewhere in the middle....
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    Critics Choice on Chicago VI

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    Take me back - Town and Country

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galactic Bulldozer View Post
    Whisky Train - Home
    Take me back - Town and Country
    The former works well, imo, the latter not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galactic Bulldozer View Post
    Whisky Train - Home
    Take me back - Town and Country
    Revisiting an old thread... Frampton's "Take Me Back", another very obvious one that I should have remembered!
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    This may be blasphemy but I think Heart of the Sunrise would have been the better choice and would have put Roundabout as the last song. But then what the hell do I know.


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    Many disagree, but I felt strongly that Big Big Train erred when they added "Make Some Noise" as the new opening track to the compiled "English Electric Full Power."

    The original opener, "The First Rebreather," beautifully prologued the themes (both musical and textual) of the overall work, delving into English history and culture in a decidedly third-person, observational manner. It set out motifs that would be referred to repeatedly throughout the two-plus hours of the work. It was of a piece with the concept, in every way. It seemed written specifically to be the beginning of this album. And for newcomers, it was a proper introduction to the band, dramatic, lyrically rich and mysterious, musically complex, and a good, long, true prog epic. Its only shortcoming is the lack of brass.

    "Make Some Noise" is a great song to kick off a concert, and would be a fine opener to a different album. Just not this one. It's music about music (which the rest of EE is not). It's written in the collective first person, a song about themselves (which EE is not). It's musically relatively simple, uptempo, and its musical references are to other rock and roll songs of the 20th Century. There is nothing else on the album remotely like it.

    In my mind, that's the definition of "bad choice for an opening album track." Fine song, though.

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    "Laser" on Terje Rypdal's "Eos" has evoked complaints from fans over the years.

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    I think Metronomic Underground on Stereolab's Emperor Tomato Ketchup overshadows the rest of the album.

    Second Hand News is the weakest track on Fleetwood Mac's Rumours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fracktured View Post
    This may be blasphemy but I think Heart of the Sunrise would have been the better choice and would have put Roundabout as the last song. But then what the hell do I know.


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    At least they got its place right on Yessongs/Progeny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasKDye View Post
    I really had a negative reaction to "Formentera Lady" when I first heard it, and I haven't been back to King Crimson's "Islands" since. Just an overall sludgy and tedious way to begin an album.
    Wow. This just goes to show how the same thing affects people differently. To me, the atmospherics of "Formantera Lady" said to me: This is going to be another King Crimson album that's remarkably different than the one that came before. Rather than the darker complexions that defined previous albums, this was more beautiful; even the chorus was in a major key - at this point in Crimson's career, a rarity, to be sure.

    In other words, I loved it, still love it, and return to the album often, along with my other fave, Lizard.

    Not suggesting you should change your opinion, just remarking on how two people can hear such different things in the same piece of music. I remember first hearing Islands on a local FM radio station, which was previewing the entire album, and from the first notes of Harry Miller's arco bass, man, was I IN!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Dreamer View Post
    Give examples of what you think are weak songs, lousy songs, inappropriate songs, songs that for whatever reason do not work as the opening track of an album.

    Chicago VI - opens with a solo piano ballad by Robert Lamm, "Critic's Choice." Not just any piano ballad, but a whiny piano ballad about the terrible things music critics say about Chicago. If you're going to open like that you damn well had better deliver a killer album, instead we get probably the weakest effort of the Kath era.

    Sasquatch IV
    - the latest from stoner band Sasquatch opens with a very ordinary tune by their standards, "Meeting." This was the preview song that was released before the album and when I heard I figured that if this was one of the better tracks, then Sasquatch was finally going to release a mediocre album after 3 great ones. Instead, this song does nothing to foreshadow the awesomeness that is the remainder of the album!
    Not only is critics choice the wrong song to start the album but I would have never even put it on the album


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    This is kind of funny: I always thought Couldn't Love You More (great song!) was a bit odd for opening Side A of One World by John Martyn.
    The LP-cover mentioned it though as the first track.
    However, pulling out the LP back in 1979 I saw Side A started with Dealer!

    All CD-versions begin with Dealer and because of that Small Hours is the closing track.

    There's a whole chapter on Discogs on this issue: https://www.discogs.com/John-Martyn-...d/master/60345

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    Not sure if it was a bad choice because I really like the song but Boston opening Third Stage with, a ballad, Amanda, was a bold move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdclark View Post
    Many disagree, but I felt strongly that Big Big Train erred when they added "Make Some Noise" as the new opening track to the compiled "English Electric Full Power."

    The original opener, "The First Rebreather," beautifully prologued the themes (both musical and textual) of the overall work, delving into English history and culture in a decidedly third-person, observational manner. It set out motifs that would be referred to repeatedly throughout the two-plus hours of the work. It was of a piece with the concept, in every way. It seemed written specifically to be the beginning of this album. And for newcomers, it was a proper introduction to the band, dramatic, lyrically rich and mysterious, musically complex, and a good, long, true prog epic. Its only shortcoming is the lack of brass.

    "Make Some Noise" is a great song to kick off a concert, and would be a fine opener to a different album. Just not this one. It's music about music (which the rest of EE is not). It's written in the collective first person, a song about themselves (which EE is not). It's musically relatively simple, uptempo, and its musical references are to other rock and roll songs of the 20th Century. There is nothing else on the album remotely like it.

    In my mind, that's the definition of "bad choice for an opening album track." Fine song, though.
    That's interesting.

    I've only ever had the version of English Electric with the two albums and CD in one package. It has never occurred to me to check what belonged where on the original releases. I love the album (or compilation!) in the version I have it but I'll check what belongs to the EP and listen to it again, removing those songs and see if it makes any difference to my experience!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the ferret View Post
    Not sure if it was a bad choice because I really like the song but Boston opening Third Stage with, a ballad, Amanda, was a bold move.
    I think that you have a very strong point there, as I am of the view that after great opening tracks on their first two albums, they really dropped the ball on "Third Stage". On their debut, Boston appropriately chose "More Than A Feeling" as the opener and it began things quite well for the segue into "Peace Of Mind" and Foreplay/Long Time". It's as if those cuts belonged with each other in that order on one of the best Side One offerings of 70's Rock. They were smart again for starting the "Don't Look Back" LP with the title cut, although the follow up cuts didn't hit you in the face like on the debut.

    However, they arrive at "Third Stage" with an opener that should have been moved back to later on Side One or perhaps opening Side Two (or in the mid- section of the CD). It was too soft an opening cut and the album would have been better served with "We're Ready", which was a harder rocking song that many critics thought was the best cut on the album. They then could have transitioned into "The Launch" and, oh man, the third stage would have blasted off in excellent style. "Amanda" was a huge hit for them anyway and the album was believed to be the first album certified Gold in both the CD and Vinyl LP formats. However, as far as album selection and formatting, I think they misplaced "Amanda".

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