Thats an old story, I theink we have covered it before, but it is 'theft' allthough to my recollection, it never caused any problems between them.
Soft Machine 'borrowed' the track but altered/changed the rythm with two bars, som its not the same, but...
I actually like SF's version better
Ah - update- , I should listen /read before I write - the SF tune I was was thinking of is 'Days Eye' which is their version of Arjens Bag
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Wow -- that's the one I was thinking of as well. Thanks for clarifying!
Maybe Aymeric knows a little more of the back story on this? We have discussed this before on PE, but it is just weird. If Ratledge wanted to cover McL's tune why not just cover it. Why claim authorship? To add to the confusion I believe the tune also appears as "Follow your Heart" on other records. I love both versions BTW...
Not necessarily prog but still...
From 1969:
From 1970:
I don't think the Soft Machine tune sounds anything like the McLaughlin tune. I mean, there's a similar movement in the bass line. But so what?
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Yes Buddy stole that one
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Actually, it's Stravinsky I've always heard that attributed to. Of course, Iggy (as well as many other "classical" composers) were known for lifting melodies out of traditional folk songs. Charles Ives was fond of using patriotic songs and hymns.
There's a lot of rock and pop songs that are lifted out of the classical music world, as well. A Lover's Concerto is based on the Minuet in G Major from the Anna Magdalena Notebook, which is now said to have been composed by Christian Petzold.
And then there's things like Too Much Thinking by Triumph, which is a total crib of Neon Knights by Black Sabbath. And Breaking Us In Two by Joe Jackson was totally appropriated from Day After Day by Badfinger.
And let's don't start on Led Zeppelin.
1972:
1974:
Confirmed Bachelors: the dramedy hit of 1883...
I've read where John Williams is a hack.
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Confirmed Bachelors: the dramedy hit of 1883...
Yes the chords are identical. I believe McLaughlin recorded a more acoustic version of the piece on My Goals Beyond. I recall observing the comparison between the two versions in '74. I recall running across a similar incident with Steve Hackett and Wishbone Ash. Unfortunately I can't recall the track titles, but I do remember an instrumental track from an 80's Wishbone Ash release having total identical melody lines and chord changes of a Steve Hackett instrumental from one of his live albums. To close to be a coincidence. If I'm not mistaken Steve Hackett may have recorded a studio version of the piece on "Till We Have Faces" or possibly a different one.
1974 (from the musical "The Magic Show"), go to :41 :
1976, go to 6:39 :
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Another classic Deep Purple : Child In Time , uses the intro melody of the track Bombay Calling by It's A Beautiful Day. From memory they openly admitted the source.
Vander claiming that Oldfield "borrowed " La Dawotsin to create Tubular Bells.
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Echoes preceded Phantom Of The Opera, yes, but from what I gather, Webber claimed the bit in question was actually an allusion to something from Jesus Christ Superstar, which I believe preceded Echoes.
But yes, we're talkign a relative common music device, so really I was being a bit facetious. What makes the two things sound similar is that the two chords the chromatic occur over appear to be the same.
Vander claiming that Oldfield "borrowed " La Dawotsin to create Tubular Bells.I remember reading that Vander said that Magma were recording MDK at about the same time that Oldfield was making Tubular Bells, at the same studio, but I think it's since been proven that's not true.That seems less likely.
But I do recall that Vander said that's why Magma's sound changed so radically between MDK and Köhntarkösz, because of Tubular Bells.
A similar descending chord progression can be found on Rick Wakeman's 'Judas Iscariot'- it's on church organ too so somewhat closer to Lloyd Webber's 'Phantom...'. But it is indeed a fairly common one, I'd have thought- don't know why Waters was so put out by it (see the very savage ALW reference on 'It's A Miracle'!).
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