Thats an old story, I theink we have covered it before, but it is 'theft' allthough to my recollection, it never caused any problems between them.
Soft Machine 'borrowed' the track but altered/changed the rythm with two bars, som its not the same, but...
I actually like SF's version better
Ah - update- , I should listen /read before I write- the SF tune I was was thinking of is 'Days Eye' which is their version of Arjens Bag
Last edited by Zeuhlmate; 01-31-2017 at 08:56 AM.
Yes the chords are identical. I believe McLaughlin recorded a more acoustic version of the piece on My Goals Beyond. I recall observing the comparison between the two versions in '74. I recall running across a similar incident with Steve Hackett and Wishbone Ash. Unfortunately I can't recall the track titles, but I do remember an instrumental track from an 80's Wishbone Ash release having total identical melody lines and chord changes of a Steve Hackett instrumental from one of his live albums. To close to be a coincidence. If I'm not mistaken Steve Hackett may have recorded a studio version of the piece on "Till We Have Faces" or possibly a different one.Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate
Thats an old story, I theink we have covered it before, but it is 'theft' allthough to my recollection, it never caused any problems between them.
Soft Machine 'borrowed' the track but altered/changed the rythm with two bars, som its not the same, but...
I actually like SF's version better
Ah - update- , I should listen /read before I write
He changed the title from "Arjen's Bag" to "Follow Your Heart" and recorded it there, and also with Joe Farrell on the album Joe Farrell Quartet for CTI.
Wow -- that's the one I was thinking of as well. Thanks for clarifying!
Maybe Aymeric knows a little more of the back story on this? We have discussed this before on PE, but it is just weird. If Ratledge wanted to cover McL's tune why not just cover it. Why claim authorship? To add to the confusion I believe the tune also appears as "Follow your Heart" on other records. I love both versions BTW...
Not necessarily prog but still...
From 1969:
From 1970:
Yes Buddy stole that one
"Buddy Miles took pretty much all the guitar lines that Michael and I wrote and used them in 'Them Changes,'" says Nivison. "It is the same song with a different vocal."
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I don't think the Soft Machine tune sounds anything like the McLaughlin tune. I mean, there's a similar movement in the bass line. But so what?
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It's not just the bass line. The sax counter melody, the changes, and the whole feel of "Arjen's Bag" is nearly identical to "Day's Eye."
But that's okay. "Good artists borrow. Great artists steal." - Picasso or Miles Davis, depending on who you believe
Actually, it's Stravinsky I've always heard that attributed to. Of course, Iggy (as well as many other "classical" composers) were known for lifting melodies out of traditional folk songs. Charles Ives was fond of using patriotic songs and hymns.
There's a lot of rock and pop songs that are lifted out of the classical music world, as well. A Lover's Concerto is based on the Minuet in G Major from the Anna Magdalena Notebook, which is now said to have been composed by Christian Petzold.
And then there's things like Too Much Thinking by Triumph, which is a total crib of Neon Knights by Black Sabbath. And Breaking Us In Two by Joe Jackson was totally appropriated from Day After Day by Badfinger.
And let's don't start on Led Zeppelin.
1972:
1974:
Confirmed Bachelors: the dramedy hit of 1883...
It's not a new phenomenon either.
I've read where John Williams is a hack.
Compact Disk brought high fidelity to the masses and audiophiles will never forgive it for that
You jest, but he has been accused of "borrowing" from other composers.
See also: Andrew Lloyd Webber.
Confirmed Bachelors: the dramedy hit of 1883...
Did we ever figure out if Webber stole that one bit from Pink Floyd, or was it the other way around?
If you're referring to that part of "Echoes," that preceded Phantom. But, I think "stole" is a bit harsh. I recall it being borrowed and acknowledged as a respectful borrowing. Maybe even a tribute.
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Pretty convincing, but he borrowed from the best!
1974 (from the musical "The Magic Show"), go to :41 :
1976, go to 6:39 :
Last edited by JKL2000; 02-21-2017 at 02:54 PM.
Yep, absolutely the same theme.
To be fair, the second "phrase" of the Lion Tamer song is a little different, but whenever I hear this part of the Genesis song I think of the song from The Magic Show, which you heard a fair amount when the show was a hit -- I'm guess it was on things like "The Mike Douglas" show.
BTW, I've updated my original post with the Broadway version of Lion Tamer.
Another classic Deep Purple : Child In Time , uses the intro melody of the track Bombay Calling by It's A Beautiful Day. From memory they openly admitted the source.
Vander claiming that Oldfield "borrowed " La Dawotsin to create Tubular Bells.
Last edited by alucard; 02-18-2017 at 05:44 AM.
That seems less likely.
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