Magma - Emehntehtt-Re Trilogy

[Zappathustra]

I have never understood so far how Magma's work is divided into trilogies. If anyone cares to explain I'd be grateful.

[chalkpie]

I have never understood so far how Magma's work is divided into trilogies. If anyone cares to explain I'd be grateful.

Theusz Hamtaahk Trilogy:

Theusz Hamtaahk
Wurdah Ïtah
Mëkanïk Dëstruktïw Kömmandöh

Emehntehtt-Re Trilogy:

Köhntarkösz Anteria (K.A.)
Köhntarkösz
Ëmëhntëhtt-Rê

Each trilogy is a complete story (akin to an opera) as far as I understand it. I have no idea what they are actually about but they are all linked conceptually and thematically.

[Zappathustra]

Theusz Hamtaahk Trilogy:

Theusz Hamtaahk
Wurdah Ïtah
Mëkanïk Dëstruktïw Kömmandöh

Emehntehtt-Re Trilogy:

Köhntarkösz Anteria (K.A.)
Köhntarkösz
Ëmëhntëhtt-Rê

Each trilogy is a complete story (akin to an opera) as far as I understand it. I have no idea what they are actually about but they are all linked conceptually and thematically.

Thanks. Are they also supposed to be listened in that order?

[Steve F.]

Thanks. Are they also supposed to be listened in that order?

The Magma police are listening in to how you listen....

[chalkpie]

Thanks. Are they also supposed to be listened in that order?

The Magma police are listening in to how you listen....

Yep. And if you break that law, they will read you your rights only in Kobaian, so please pay attention.

[chalkpie]

Thanks. Are they also supposed to be listened in that order?

Yes, that is the apparent order.

[NogbadTheBad]

So I'm not meant to play them on shuffle?

[unclemeat]

And you must enjoy them.

[Zeuhlmate]

The Magma police are listening in to how you listen....

[Steve F.]

And you must enjoy them.

You DO enjoy them..

[aith01]

You DO enjoy them..

It's true. There is no alternative.

[Zappathustra]

I do enjoy! The only one I am nor familiar with is the Emehettwhatever Re.

The fact that they have produced these in a completely different chronological order does create a confusion.

[Zappathustra]

I enjoy! I secretly enjoy in headphones so that my second wife does not hear a single note and kicks me out of the house! Magma police should seriously consider my honest efforts to enjoy and grant me immunity!

[aith01]

I do enjoy! The only one I am nor familiar with is the Emehettwhatever Re.

The fact that they have produced these in a completely different chronological order does create a confusion.

Dude, that's one of their best! IMO, Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré is like a Top 5 Magma disc. Essential, if you haven't heard it already.

And yes, I totally agree that the non-chronological releases are confusing.

[Zappathustra]

Dude, that's one of their best! IMO, Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré is like a Top 5 Magma disc. Essential, if you haven't heard it already.

And yes, I totally agree that the non-chronological releases are confusing.

Indeed! Fantastic!

Is it music that they wrote recently, or a recording of old material? I recognised Hhai, but I mean the rest of it.

It's insane how they keep this level up to our times. I think this is the only 70's big name that has managed to do so.

[Udi Koomran]

I haven’t seen or heard this one but previous versions never convinced me
It might be due to the fact The fragments have been embedded in my for decades
Somehow this didn’t seem like a cohesive piece like MDK or TH
I guess the stitching seemed coarse
Blasphemous ?

[Zeuhlmate]

I haven’t seen or heard this one but previous versions never convinced me
It might be due to the fact The fragments have been embedded in my for decades
Somehow this didn’t seem like a cohesive piece like MDK or TH
I guess the stitching seemed coarse
Blasphemous ?

There is an early version from 1977 (Silkeborg, Denmark) you might like. Really raw.

[Steve F.]

I guess the stitching seemed coarse

I don't disagree with this, but I still enjoy it as a performance and a recording.

[Zappathustra]

Is this just stiched 70's material or more recent music involved?

[calyx]

Is this just stiched 70's material or more recent music involved?

The first main fragment (E-R Intro / Hhaï) was always meant to be a suite. In 1977, this and the Zombies section were part of a long medley which also included De Futura and the Ptah drum solo, so there's a kind of logic that they should be part of the same suite, although the segue from Hhai to Zombies didn't exist back then (at least I don't think it did) since there was De Futura / Ptah between them. In 2005, Magma began playing a work in progress version of the complete E-R suite which iirc stopped a few minutes into Zombies. The next sections were added gradually until 2008. Supposedly this includes some completely new material, but Vander has remained evasive about exactly what is newly composed, as he likes to encourage the myth that this, somehow, was how the piece was always meant to be. Well, this is difficult to reconclie with Klaus Blasquiz saying in interviews ca. 1976-77 that Emehntehtt-Re was going to be a triple-album...

[Zappathustra]

^^ very clarifying - merci beaucoup monsieur

[Udi Koomran]

Curious to know what the 70’s version was made up from
Could it be that it started as a suite and later dissected into fragments?
Or was it the other way round ?

[Zeuhlmate]

Curious to know what the 70’s version was made up from
Could it be that it started as a suite and later dissected into fragments?
Or was it the other way round ?

http://www.danbbs.dk/~m-bohn/magma/comments.htm
I will send it to you (wetransfer).

[unclemeat]

Curious to know what the 70’s version was made up from
Could it be that it started as a suite and later dissected into fragments?
Or was it the other way round ?

Lots of info in this French fanzine :
https://fr.calameo.com/books/000886196616f44af0512

My guess is that CV had an unfinished arrangement of the complete E-Rê in the 70's although not all of it could be performed then (cf the "barebones" version of "Zombies" on the Orléans 1977 recording).
The only new music added to the suite would then be the coda ("Funerarium Kahnt"), composed in the 00's.

[Udi Koomran]

http://www.danbbs.dk/~m-bohn/magma/comments.htm
I will send it to you (wetransfer).

Wow thank you very mucu