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    Can Prog Fusion Make a Comeback?



    Standing room only last Sunday night at Sparticle Space.
    Pure improv, jazzy prog fusion I suppose. The radio station has been playing their stuff
    here like crazy. Even hot chicks in attendance!

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    Can "pure improv" also be "prog fusion"? I usually think of prog as all written out, with complex time changes and unison passages.

    I guess it's all relative. Improvisation with a Mellotron perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zravkapt View Post
    No
    You're dead wrong!

    BTW, news are just in that they've finally found a new actor to take over D. Craig's tenure as James Bond:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    You're dead wrong!

    BTW, news are just in that they've finally found a new actor to take over D. Craig's tenure as James Bond:
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    Skeletor! Of course.

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    Even if it made a comeback it would all be for naught anyway since it won't be recorded in 1973.
    Just sitting at home rocking back and forth and jealously caressing my invisible collection of theoretical assets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhead View Post
    Can Prog Fusion Make a Comeback?
    Only after you make sure that everyone is restricted to performing on instruments that you approve of.

    One step at a time, boss!
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    "You run a great label, but sometimes you go out of your way to be a jerk." - Jed Levin

    "The older I get, the more I realize that cynicism is just realism spelled wrong."

    "Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"

    please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    Only after you make sure that everyone is restricted to performing on instruments that you approve of.
    Bingo.

    I bet someone used a laptop to edit that video too. And crap, someone used an iphone as a camera. I voted the video thumbs down.
    WANTED: Sig-worthy quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    Can "pure improv" also be "prog fusion"? I usually think of prog as all written out, with complex time changes and unison passages.

    I guess it's all relative. Improvisation with a Mellotron perhaps.
    Why do complex time signatures have to be written out? I heard 5/4 11/8, 13/8, 6/4, 3/4. and 4/4. All done in an improvisational way. Is that not jazz prog rock fusion?
    I never thought of jazz as having to be written out like classical music. Might be a chart or skeleton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    Only after you make sure that everyone is restricted to performing on instruments that you approve of.

    One step at a time, boss!
    No, just instruments that sound good. Assuming good musicianship, ES 175 Guitar sounds good. Rhodes piano sounds good. You can argue those instruments don't sound good I guess.

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    Never - you will just have to listen to the old records for all eternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhead View Post
    No, just instruments that sound good.
    translation: "Instruments I approve of!"
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    "You run a great label, but sometimes you go out of your way to be a jerk." - Jed Levin

    "The older I get, the more I realize that cynicism is just realism spelled wrong."

    "Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"

    please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.

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    And although it may come out exactly identical to source, the sound isn't good anymore once you get to realize that it was processed through a laptop. In fact it instantly gets really, really bad then.



    And evil too.
    "Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
    "[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM

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    doesn't "laptop", depend on if your standing up or sitting?
    The older I get, the better I was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staun View Post
    doesn't "laptop", depend on if your standing up or sitting?
    Yup, and if you can carry and manoeuver it from atop your cranium it gets to be a skullheadtop.

    Nah, seriously - laptops are cool enough as long as we make them look like genuine instruments; attach a stringed neck to it, give it a paintjob to hide the keys, equip it with a proper body form. It's the look of the sound that matters!
    "Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
    "[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhead View Post
    Can Prog Fusion Make a Comeback?
    Standing room only last Sunday night at Sparticle Space.
    Pure improv, jazzy prog fusion I suppose. The radio station has been playing their stuff
    here like crazy. Even hot chicks in attendance!
    Leonardo Pavkovic will say "yes". His Moonjune Records are releasing progressive fusion (or whatever he calls it) all the time.

    Here's their latest: improv from Reuter, Wingfield, Stavi and Sirkis:

    https://markwingfield-moonjune.bandc...-24bit-88-2khz

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    Quote Originally Posted by interbellum View Post
    Here's their latest: improv from Reuter, Wingfield, Stavi and Sirkis:

    https://markwingfield-moonjune.bandc...-24bit-88-2khz
    I enjoyed that one a lot.
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    "You run a great label, but sometimes you go out of your way to be a jerk." - Jed Levin

    "The older I get, the more I realize that cynicism is just realism spelled wrong."

    "Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"

    please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by interbellum View Post
    Leonardo Pavkovic will say "yes". His Moonjune Records are releasing progressive fusion (or whatever he calls it) all the time.

    Here's their latest: improv from Reuter, Wingfield, Stavi and Sirkis:

    https://markwingfield-moonjune.bandc...-24bit-88-2khz
    Not talking about releasing records. Anyone with a "laptop" can do that these days. Will people actually get away from their laptop and go out
    and see live fusion in a venue that is NOT drawing only upon their past releases from the 70's era. They will all be gone soon as we are seeing.
    If I want to go out and see live fusion improv etc, where do I go? It comes back when there is a scene, a real scene with people who show up and support it. Musicians who show up and play it.... not in the past but in modern times.... this weekend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    translation: "Instruments I approve of!"
    ? What instruments do you approve of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhead View Post
    ? What instruments do you approve of?
    Nothing is verboten, herr Skull!

    I judge them all in the context of if I like the music. There isn't any instrument that I never like...
    Last edited by Steve F.; 01-12-2017 at 08:06 PM.
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    "Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"

    please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staun View Post
    doesn't "laptop", depend on if your standing up or sitting?
    I think you mean "lapdance"....

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    https://youtu.be/RzDBYIhfu0g?t=660

    Be sure to start at 11:00

    Would you consider something like that your "live improv fusion"?
    Last edited by rminsk; 01-13-2017 at 01:57 AM.

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    Yes, provided that you fuse the right ingredients (as per the example below; where I'm listening to Embryo jamming with Missus Beastly).

    Macht das ohr auf!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhead View Post
    Even hot chicks in attendance!

    Hey, I saw Présent at Studio Athanor around 03 (not the 2005 gig, the same day UZ's stage comeback), and the place was crawling with young lightly-dressed female student headbanging to their music. Guy Seghers (still the ir band and label manager) sitting next to me at the bar had his eyes bulging out and I thought he was about to bust into his pants


    The only comeback that happened was Présent returned to the place to play the other gig (mentioned above)... and no hot chicks then... The only other time I saw a concert there was Chris Spedding and no significant amount of hot chicks either (but a whole bunch of rockabilly-dressed dude .... frightening and hilarious sight at the same time


    Turns out the reasons why there were so many chicks was last day of exams and a whole bunch of them elected that place to party-hardy-hearty, whether they liked the music or not
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.

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