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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Some of my all-time favorite albums were largely done on those "cheesy" 80's synths and there's not a single note or sound I'd change. Loved 'em then, still love 'em now

    As much as I love my synths, they're just tools. In the right hands, even a supposedly "bad" synth can yield something remarkable (and vice versa, I've heard folks with massive stacks who still can't polish a turd ).

    But yes...I have my favorites. I also have places where I find myself wishing they'd tried a different synth or patch. Sometimes it's not "I wish they'd done analog/vintage" but the opposite, I wish they'd expanded past the same old staples in some places!

    Anyway, if anyone needs me I'll be in the corner listening to Underwater Sunlight with dropforge
    BTW......digging Underwater Sunlight right now! Lots of 80's synth cheesiness/goodness on this one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plasmatopia View Post
    Sorry, apparently there was some miscommunication because I don't need any help at all. This is not something I need to do and I've already watched a couple videos that explain it. I was merely pointing out a feature I'd come across. You seemed to doubt Cubase would be mentioned by name anywhere within a Toontrack VST and I was just addressing that.

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    The pic is really blurry. I can't make out any text. :( Could you upload it to imgur?
    The user manual doesn't mention Cubase anywhere.


    EDIT: OK. I did some research and figured out the "Cubase only" thing is just for routing your 16 stereo outputs as 32 mono ones. It likely has something do to with how Cubase itself handles the routing mechanism. So... you can still route your outputs in any DAW. Just stero linked, without the option to split them into mono inside the plugin itself! Look around. It should be easy to do. xD Especially in Reaper which is a really flexible DAW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pstrawser View Post
    BTW......digging Underwater Sunlight right now! Lots of 80's synth cheesiness/goodness on this one!
    It's easily in my top 10 TD albums
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czyszy View Post
    The pic is really blurry. I can't make out any text. Could you upload it to imgur?
    The user manual doesn't mention Cubase anywhere.


    EDIT: OK. I did some research and figured out the "Cubase only" thing is just for routing your 16 stereo outputs as 32 mono ones. It likely has something do to with how Cubase itself handles the routing mechanism. So... you can still route your outputs in any DAW. Just stero linked, without the option to split them into mono inside the plugin itself! Look around. It should be easy to do. xD Especially in Reaper which is a really flexible DAW.
    Correct. Not that it matters, but that's why I specifically highlighted the word mono in my post.
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    Echoes played Phaedra last night to celebrate it's 50th annv.

    I like Underwater Sunlight, but my favorite material is 1976-1983.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Giant View Post
    Echoes played Phaedra last night to celebrate it's 50th annv.

    I like Underwater Sunlight, but my favorite material is 1976-1983.
    I used to listen to Stratosphere a lot when I was in college.
    I definitely dig the 70's albums (I favor Rubycon slightly ahead of Phaedra) but man do I love the Schmoelling and Haslinger eras. The band's come back around and is doing interesting stuff again but stuff like Poland, Thief and Underwater Sunlight are desert island picks for me.
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    Johannes Schmoelling is DA MAN! His latest album, Iter Meum, is easily in his top three solo albums for me. It's that good. I know it's not 100% new material, but it's newly arranged, and I don't care.

    But, yeah, for TD, my favorite "era" starts with Rubycon and goes up through, well, basically till Chris Franke splits. I love it all. But Miracle Mile is another surefire all-around winner, and I like many tunes from Optical Race, Lily on the Beach and Melrose, too.

    P.S. The Edgar Froese/Ralf Wadephul album Blue Dawn is a winner, too. That should've been the follow-up to Optical Race. It's SO much better than Lily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dropforge View Post
    Johannes Schmoelling is DA MAN! His latest album, Iter Meum, is easily in his top three solo albums for me. It's that good. I know it's not 100% new material, but it's newly arranged, and I don't care.

    But, yeah, for TD, my favorite "era" starts with Rubycon and goes up through, well, basically till Chris Franke splits. I love it all. But Miracle Mile is another surefire all-around winner, and I like many tunes from Optical Race, Lily on the Beach and Melrose, too.

    P.S. The Edgar Froese/Ralf Wadephul album Blue Dawn is a winner, too. That should've been the follow-up to Optical Race. It's SO much better than Lily.
    I really like Iter Meum too. But Wuivend Riet and White Out are desert island picks for me

    Blue Dawn is really great...I also like Wadephul's "When Aliens Meet a Drop of Water"

    The expanded Miracle Mile is awesome!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    The expanded Miracle Mile is awesome!!
    That one came outta nowhere! These last few years have been generous with the reissues, expanded and otherwise.

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    Amen, brotha

    Anyhoo...tangent aside and pun 100% intended, IMHO gear from every era yielded superb results in the right hands. Conversely, dreck doesn't get a pass just because it features a Mellotron instead of a Roland U-20 or Korg M1.

    Random aside...I actually owned a Roland U-20 and used it heavily around the time. I discovered that despite the limited sound editing, there were some cool tricks I could pull off if I played some of the sounds at the extreme high or low end of the range. Low of course created some interesting pseudo-random texture things when doused with reverb, but the highs were even more interesting as some of the sounds essentially distorted due to aliasing issues and created this weird texture not unlike ring modulation. Definitely had some nice late nights noodling around with that keyboard
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Amen, brotha

    Anyhoo...tangent aside and pun 100% intended, IMHO gear from every era yielded superb results in the right hands. Conversely, dreck doesn't get a pass just because it features a Mellotron instead of a Roland U-20 or Korg M1.

    Random aside...I actually owned a Roland U-20 and used it heavily around the time. I discovered that despite the limited sound editing, there were some cool tricks I could pull off if I played some of the sounds at the extreme high or low end of the range. Low of course created some interesting pseudo-random texture things when doused with reverb, but the highs were even more interesting as some of the sounds essentially distorted due to aliasing issues and created this weird texture not unlike ring modulation. Definitely had some nice late nights noodling around with that keyboard
    1000% agree! I hope my RMI introspection didn't come across as an "it's all about the GEAR, man" rant or something. Totally with you on the fact that all of these instruments are just tools. I think it's interesting just how much the Electra Piano ended up being a part of the sonic landscape of so many old-school prog records, and I do love the sound......for certain things, at least.

    And same with the Mellotron.....as much as I love the archetypal "instruments of prog" (MiniMoog, Mellotron, Hammond, etc.), it really does all come down to how original, creative, and musical a composer/musician can be with those instruments. If I can get to that place, I guess I'll be doing okay!

    By the way......been enjoying the Tangerine Dream discussion here! I'm a little late to that party and have a lot of listening homework to do! Really digging these records that ya'll have discussed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pstrawser View Post
    I hope my RMI introspection didn't come across as an "it's all about the GEAR, man" rant or something.
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    It's all good and of course I get where you're coming from I've got my biases too, some of them are less aligned with the proggie besties, but yeah....we all love what we love.

    Quote Originally Posted by pstrawser View Post
    By the way......been enjoying the Tangerine Dream discussion here! I'm a little late to that party and have a lot of listening homework to do! Really digging these records that ya'll have discussed!
    Gotta watch out, with both Drop and I in this thread, we could absolutely derail the HELL out of this thing with all our favorites (and boy there are a LOT of favorites) Tangerine Dream released a ton of albums and covered a HUGE amount of ground. We'll also likely skew things a smidge into the 80's whereas in the main forum 90% of the love begins (and typically) ends with the 70's output.

    If we took Underwater Sunlight as your entry point, I'd suggest maybe Poland, Logos and/or Thief next. The 70's greats like Phaedra and Rubycon are very different, but really amazing as well (and rather groundbreaking for their time).
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    YOU'RE DEAD TO ME, FRENCH VOLARE BOY



    It's all good and of course I get where you're coming from I've got my biases too, some of them are less aligned with the proggie besties, but yeah....we all love what we love.



    Gotta watch out, with both Drop and I in this thread, we could absolutely derail the HELL out of this thing with all our favorites (and boy there are a LOT of favorites) Tangerine Dream released a ton of albums and covered a HUGE amount of ground. We'll also likely skew things a smidge into the 80's whereas in the main forum 90% of the love begins (and typically) ends with the 70's output.

    If we took Underwater Sunlight as your entry point, I'd suggest maybe Poland, Logos and/or Thief next. The 70's greats like Phaedra and Rubycon are very different, but really amazing as well (and rather groundbreaking for their time).
    HAHA! Sweet man! Derail away!! I got some strong love for the 80's stuff. Underwater Sunlight had a surprising amount of sweet guitar leads.....sounded like an episode of Miami Vice or something! I'll dig into those others for sure!

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    The 2 TD box sets cover 1973-1983 where my sweet spot lies. Of course I haven't had time to spin any of this yet as I probably have more new music lying around than I have life cycles left to hear it all. Too much of a good thing??? Hedging my bet I'll have some kind of retirement to really enjoy all this. I'm good knowing I support the fellow musicians though. Bandcamp Friday coming??? New Rick Miller up for grabs!

    Anyhoo, I can't say I dislike any TD material, just like some more than others. The newer incarnation of the band is very interesting as well. You'd have thought that with all the new tech, they would have a streamlined live stage setup. I saw a behind the scenes video that looked absolutely insane! Holy crap!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pstrawser View Post
    This discussion about old-school electric/electronic pianos has reminded me that I’ve always wondered why on earth the RMI ever saw any widespread use in the 70s.

    I understand that the technology of the day was limited…..but man, that thing just doesn’t sound very good to me…..or, it doesn’t sound very good if, in my head, I want it to compare to a Wurly or Rhodes or any of the electro-mechanical offerings of the time. I wasn’t around back then, so I should probably keep my mouth shut. And admittedly, being on this side of history, I don’t think some songs would sound right without it (70s Genesis and Yes stuff in particular, but also “You’ve Made So Very Happy” by Blood Sweat and Tears, and tons of other). But it’s always perplexed me.
    The RMI's were a lot more totable than the electric (or acoustic) pianos. Cheaper too. And if you heard the alternatives (e.g.: Crumar) you could understand why the RMI, while not exactly mindblowing, was considered good enough. Honestly, it made for a better harpsichord emulation than piano (hence the name Rock-si-chord slapped on early models).

    There was also Farfisa's Professional Piano, which did an OK Wurlitzer/Pianet emulation. Joe Vannelli used one (you can see him playing it on Gino's "People Gotta Move" when they did Soul Train) prior to getting his Rhodes. Irmin Schmidt of Can used one, and managed to coax string-synth like timbres out of it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Progbear View Post
    Joe Vannelli used one (you can see him playing it on Gino's "People Gotta Move" when they did Soul Train) prior to getting his Rhodes.
    Can you link it? Unfortunately I can only find versions of that song with an actual Wurlitzer overdubbed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czyszy View Post
    Can you link it? Unfortunately I can only find versions of that song with an actual Wurlitzer overdubbed.
    Maybe on this facebookpage? https://www.facebook.com/SoulFunkyDi...1377452526784/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plasmatopia View Post
    Correct. Not that it matters, but that's why I specifically highlighted the word mono in my post.
    nope u didn't

    "Do you guys usually assign the individual drum outputs to channels in your DAW? I tried it a few times with Kontakt and Sup Drummer and never got the hang of it."

    I messed with that a couple of times years ago with Superior 2.0, but I think for 3.0 that functionality became exclusive to Cubase users? (I'm using Reaper.)
    You implied that assigning multiple outputs from Superior Drummer was a Cubase only option which isn't true. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by interbellum View Post
    No. The band is miming to a recording with a mechanical electric piano.
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