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    Quote Originally Posted by hFx View Post
    https://www.progressiveears.org/foru...l=1#post997547

    The second half of this video from the Yes 90125 tour displays some classic keys from the era (yes, including the new flagship DX7 )
    Didn't I also see an Oberheim? And of course a Yamaha electric grand.
    And downstage I think I spotted a Roland Jupiter 8.

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    Jesus...that's just the saddest image right there. Dude just grooving away buried beneath the stage along with the roadies, muffled sound and everything

    Sweet rig though...I'd rather have seen that rig onstage than the one we did see
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Jesus...that's just the saddest image right there. Dude just grooving away buried beneath the stage along with the roadies, muffled sound and everything

    Sweet rig though...I'd rather have seen that rig onstage than the one we did see
    I don't like hidden keyboardplayers at all. Keyboardplayers deserve some spotlight as well, even if they are not full members of the band.

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    100% agreed. I don't like hidden players regardless of the instrument. By the time the 80's came around it wasn't unusual to see aux players onstage and I don't recall anyone complaining too loudly. It feels like a bullshit ego move on the part of the band or the management and I can't respect that.
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    So this is kind of cool. This is the Deckard's Dream being played using a Haken Continuum in MPE mode. The expressive capabilities of the Continuum really bring out some amazing control over the DDRM's sound. I've tried to replicate this setup in my studio but for whatever reason the Continuum causes way too many stuck notes on the DDRM...the author of this video sent me his preset though so I'm going to experiment with that for a bit.

    Either way...an excellent demonstration of what MPE means in terms of synthesizers and expressive performance

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    Oh, and bonus: the Valhalla Supermassive he's using in the video? That's a totally free plugin from Valhalla that easily could've been worth $150 or more compared to other reverb plugins.

    https://valhalladsp.com/shop/reverb/...-supermassive/

    I've got this and a few other Valhalla plugins (Shimmer, Vintage Verb, Space Modulator) and they're outstanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    100% agreed. I don't like hidden players regardless of the instrument. By the time the 80's came around it wasn't unusual to see aux players onstage and I don't recall anyone complaining too loudly. It feels like a bullshit ego move on the part of the band or the management and I can't respect that.
    You're right.
    I think Paul McCartney and Wings toured with 4 extra players for brass and woodwinds
    German singer/songwriter Heinz Rudolf Kunze did the same with the Rumour Brass
    Camel toured with 3 keyboard-players, well actually 2 (Ton Scherpenzeel and Richie Close), but Chris Rainbow handled some keyboards as well.
    All those musicians were on stage.

    I have some video of Edguy, where the keyboardplayer is hidden.

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    Even before the 80's, Pink Floyd had almost double the players onstage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Even before the 80's, Pink Floyd had almost double the players onstage.
    Live in Venice they had an extra percussion-player, a keyboard-player, a saxophone-player, a guitar-player, a bass-player to replace Roger Waters and 2 or 3 female vocalists on stage, but that was in 1989.

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    Yep...pretty sure no one who bought tickets to those tours was complaining about "authenticity" at that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Yep...pretty sure no one who bought tickets to those tours was complaining about "authenticity" at that point.
    I like it when a group plays their music without extra hands or backing-tapes, but if you use extra hands, I want to see them on stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarebird View Post
    Didn't I also see an Oberheim? And of course a Yamaha electric grand.
    And downstage I think I spotted a Roland Jupiter 8.
    Kaye: DX7, OB??, Electric Grand, then to the left an organ and a blue Emulator 1 on top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Jesus...that's just the saddest image right there. Dude just grooving away buried beneath the stage along with the roadies, muffled sound and everything

    Sweet rig though...I'd rather have seen that rig onstage than the one we did see
    Need eyebleach for the hot pants. Can't unsee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    100% agreed. I don't like hidden players regardless of the instrument. By the time the 80's came around it wasn't unusual to see aux players onstage and I don't recall anyone complaining too loudly. It feels like a bullshit ego move on the part of the band or the management and I can't respect that.
    I first heard Yes used offstage keys on both the 90125 & Big Generator tours back in '89, and trust me, I did the "no way" dance because I loved Yes, even if Wakeman wasn't there. (And go figure, ABWH did have a second keyboardist, onstage with Rick!!)

    But it's the truth, and if they'd held on to Jobson, there probably would've been no need for the cloak. Seeing Yes "in the round" on the Union tour made it painfully obvious that Tony doesn't have much to offer on anything besides Hammond organ. He noodled on his synth for a few seconds, and it was forgettable. Rick's solo was the exact opposite; the entire venue was awestruck. It was hard not to feel sorry for Tony.

    I also heard they used a different guy for BG, and (maybe true, maybe not) gave him two options: Appear onstage with us, get 70 grand for the tour, or go under the stage, and get 100 grand. He went for the bigger money (it wasn't Casey Young, it was another guy).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dropforge View Post
    I first heard Yes used offstage keys on both the 90125 & Big Generator tours back in '89, and trust me, I did the "no way" dance because I loved Yes, even if Wakeman wasn't there. (And go figure, ABWH did have a second keyboardist, onstage with Rick!!)

    But it's the truth, and if they'd held on to Jobson, there probably would've been no need for the cloak. Seeing Yes "in the round" on the Union tour made it painfully obvious that Tony doesn't have much to offer on anything besides Hammond organ. He noodled on his synth for a few seconds, and it was forgettable. Rick's solo was the exact opposite; the entire venue was awestruck. It was hard not to feel sorry for Tony.

    I also heard they used a different guy for BG, and (maybe true, maybe not) gave him two options: Appear onstage with us, get 70 grand for the tour, or go under the stage, and get 100 grand. He went for the bigger money (it wasn't Casey Young, it was another guy).
    Wasn't Tony Kaye replaced by Rick Wakeman, because he didn't want to experiment with synthesizers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarebird View Post
    Wasn't Tony Kaye replaced by Rick Wakeman, because he didn't want to experiment with synthesizers?
    Yeah, Tony favored piano and organ and had an aversion to the Mellotron and MiniMoog and didn't want to use them. I think he and Steve Howe had some other disagreement while out on tour. But they'd seen Rick in action, and they knew he was their guy. They knew they weren't going to be able to move forward with Tony, and fired him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropforge View Post
    Seeing Yes "in the round" on the Union tour made it painfully obvious that Tony doesn't have much to offer on anything besides Hammond organ. He noodled on his synth for a few seconds, and it was forgettable. Rick's solo was the exact opposite; the entire venue was awestruck. It was hard not to feel sorry for Tony.
    When I saw the Talk tour, Trevor Rabin did a keyboard solo that was more impressive than Kaye's.

    I personally think Kaye's a better player than most folks gave him credit for, given how flashy and impressive Wakeman looked up there. Kaye's got chops but he's never been terribly interested in synths...so solo spots aren't really going to show what he's capable of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    When I saw the Talk tour, Trevor Rabin did a keyboard solo that was more impressive than Kaye's.
    Ouch.

    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    I personally think Kaye's a better player than most folks gave him credit for, given how flashy and impressive Wakeman looked up there. Kaye's got chops but he's never been terribly interested in synths...so solo spots aren't really going to show what he's capable of.
    I agree. Tony's forte is Hammond organ. When he finally got some synths, he played his lines like he was playing piano, i.e. nothing stands out but it melds with the music and rounds everything out. For Big Generator, it felt fine. He's no Moraz or Wakeman or Bardens, but he clearly was never interested in being anything beyond an accompanist. Can't razz the guy for that, right?

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    Yep...if there was ever something that Yes perhaps DID need more of, it was players who weren't looking to hog the spotlight
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Yep...if there was ever something that Yes perhaps DID need more of, it was players who weren't looking to hog the spotlight


    Jon Anderson: lead vocals
    Trevor Rabin: guitar, lead and backing vocals
    Chris Squire: bass and backing vocals
    Alan White: drums and percussion
    Tony Kaye: blink and you miss 'im!

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    Is there a current updated synth similar to the ED4E, but cheaper?


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    Modal Skulpt maybe.

    Reverb has Evolvers for $500 or less though, not sure how much cheaper you'll find at that price point
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    Yeah, I assume that Evolver is a vintage synth, sure has a nice tone to it though. I've watched some videos on the new Arturia Keystep 37, and it looks like a nice affordable midi keyboard. The guy reviewing it in the video below seems to be pretty knowledgeable about synths. Question, do a lot of musicians use midi in performance along with a laptop, or is more a studio thing?



    Seems like he really liked the Novation SL Mkiii, but with small reservations, but then he seems to have a hundred keyboards so it's hard to pin him down on what his favorites are actually. I don't know if synth manufacturers send him keyboards (some do from watching his videos) to review or what, but he's sure got a lot of them. He speaks over my head with a lot of what he says, but he's fun to watch.


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    Hi!

    Speaking just for myself I'm a bit laptop-phobic when it comes to my live work. MIDI for all it's faults is pretty solid and while I still sometimes have a computer reboot issue, once I've got that DIN cable in the back of my keyboard (and assuming I plugged it in the RIGHT MIDI jack ), it's reliable and unlikely to throw me for a loop in the middle of a show.

    I see other performers who are much more engaged with their laptop and seem to do pretty excellent work -- I once was lucky enough to peek over Ikue Mori's shoulder during a show and let's just say she was NOT just killing time playing solitaire. She was VERY engaged and flying all over the place with the software. And the end results were remarkable.

    I have a Keystep and use it with the Deckard's Dream as a quick/easy way to noodle with sounds and tweak things (for actual performance I run it through a full-size keyboard. The Keystep does what it does REALLY well and even though the keys aren't full size, they have a comfortable feel and I can play with relative ease
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    I have a Keystep as well and I really love it. Not much possibilities to tweak sounds, I think, but it is great to experiment with things.

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