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    Looks interesting, though the first pages are double.

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    Found this site from a guy that lives in the Netherlands that does these synth reviews of various albums. I'd never heard of him and don't know half the musicians he writes about, but think it's a pretty good reference and guide. http://www.sonicimmersion.org/about/

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippypants View Post
    Found this site from a guy that lives in the Netherlands that does these synth reviews of various albums. I'd never heard of him and don't know half the musicians he writes about, but think it's a pretty good reference and guide. http://www.sonicimmersion.org/about/
    I miss several things on that page.
    And I don't hear that optimistic sound in Wolfgang Riechmann - Wunderbar. To me it sounds more melancholic and at places even depressing, as if he knew he would die soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarebird View Post
    I miss several things on that page.
    And I don't hear that optimistic sound in Wolfgang Riechmann - Wunderbar. To me it sounds more melancholic and at places even depressing, as if he knew he would die soon.
    I don't quite understand what you are saying perhaps-- are you saying that there are several synth albums you feel he overlooked? I agree with you there. I prefer Tangerine Dream's early output much more than their later years: Zeit, Phaedra, Rubycon, Encore, etc. I don't believe he had Klaus Schluze's Timewind on there either--one of my faves.

    I'm not that familiar with Riechmann except with Neu. That said though there are a lot other musicians on there I'd not heard of either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippypants View Post
    I don't quite understand what you are saying perhaps-- are you saying that there are several synth albums you feel he overlooked? I agree with you there. I prefer Tangerine Dream's early output much more than their later years: Zeit, Phaedra, Rubycon, Encore, etc. I don't believe he had Klaus Schluze's Timewind on there either--one of my faves.

    I'm not that familiar with Riechmann except with Neu. That said though there are a lot other musicians on there I'd not heard of either.
    I miss several artists, like for instance Wendy Carlos. I have the impression a lot of the artist he mentions are in the new age category.

    I never have been able to get into Zeit. I have the albums from their Virgin Years, from Phaedra to Hyperborea.

    I only have the solo-album from Wolfgang Riechmann and his album with Streetmark.

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    I never have been able to get into Zeit.

    I was in the same boat for many years and then I heard two guys describing it on Youtube, and it opened my head as to what was going on. The long droning cello (several cellos actually) droning at the beginning sets up the piece for something dark and ominous. It's really one of their more avant-garde pieces. Quite fresh to my ears and after so many years of its release. I haven't yet gone thru his selections totally yet, and as you said maybe it slanted towards more New Age or ambient and even space rock/ambience--there a lot of genres on there. Some are all synth albums or groups either in that they combine other instrumentation it seems. I know he's covered many people, so I'll have to take a closer look. Missing too are NIN, Aphex Twins, Tim Story, and probably a few others, but he does cover many that I enjoy like: Radio Massacre International, Ash Ra Temple, Tim Blake, Giles Reeves, and many others. Could be it's still a work in progress too.

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    Tim Story's really early stuff = good shit.

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    ^^ I met him at Big Ears this past March for the first time. He was there with Harold Budd's ensembles as well as presenting his "Roedelius Cells" installation at the Knoxville Museum of Art. Wonderfully gracious dude.
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    I'd pay $40/$80 to try out this synth museum in Oakland, CA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippypants View Post
    I'd pay $40/$80 to try out this synth museum in Oakland, CA.
    Boy Howdy!

    (Translation: Yes, I would very much like to attend the museum and play these wonderful synths)

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    Hey, have we discussed THIS yet?

    https://www.musicradar.com/news/behr...ts-cs-80-clone

    Can you imagine a Behringer clone AND a Yamaha version hitting the market at the same time?

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    That Behringer looks great. I would think it would be on the pricey side, but I like what they are doing. It seems the synth industry isn't just standing still but continues to innovate, which I like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippypants View Post
    That Behringer looks great. I would think it would be on the pricey side, but I like what they are doing. It seems the synth industry isn't just standing still but continues to innovate, which I like.
    In fairness...what Behringer is doing isn't innovation; he/they are basically making lower-priced knockoffs of popular vintage synths. Also in fairness, ditto for the Black Corporation who made my beloved Deckard's Dream as well as the Kijimi and Xerxes (CS-80, Polykobol and Synthex replicants, respectively)...I just happen to think the Black Corp does them better

    I can't say I have high hopes for the Behringer although I'll certainly be watching with more than passing curiosity. It'll probably be pricey (my money is the 2,500-3,500 range) but not as expensive as an actual CS-80 was or is now (I think they were around 8k new, and these days a used one in quality condition is well above the 20k mark).

    I am much more curious about what Yamaha could do if given the opportunity. In a perfect world I'd like to see something similar to the connection between the original Moog Model D Minimoog and the Moog Voyager: not so much an exact replica but something created in the spirit of the original but expanding upon the concept in interesting new ways.

    For example, the concept of a CS-80 in 2020: MPE capable (maybe even with a keyboard surface that could support it), LED display, expanded FX, perhaps CV in/out modulation options, an XY surface instead of just a ribbon (or maybe both), an 88-note fully-weighted keybed, FM oscillators or wavefolders, and so on.

    But at this point, both are essentially vaporware so who knows what, if anything, eventually surfaces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hippypants View Post
    That Behringer looks great. I would think it would be on the pricey side, but I like what they are doing. It seems the synth industry isn't just standing still but continues to innovate, which I like.
    Brave idéa but very much a concept (and a bad 3D rendition). A miniature version of the already minute "user patch" controls seems just ridiculous. Probably need liquid cooling too if the circuitry would be anywhere close to the original.
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    I suspect the timing of this was a bit rushed, because word was starting to get out that Yamaha was investigating the possibility of a new CS-80. I'd be seriously shocked if the final one actually used that much real estate to emulate something so unnecessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hFx View Post
    Brave idéa but very much a concept (and a bad 3D rendition). A miniature version of the already minute "user patch" controls seems just ridiculous.
    Agreed. Hopefully when this goes to production they come to their senses and go for digital storage. Not “authentic” perhaps, but far more user-friendly.

    Probably need liquid cooling too if the circuitry would be anywhere close to the original.
    That’s totally do-able. I do know that gaming nerds love fitting their custom PCs with liquid cooling systems. Hell, Garth Hudson had his ACTUAL CS80 fitted with a liquid cooling system!
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    In fairness...what Behringer is doing isn't innovation; he/they are basically making lower-priced knockoffs of popular vintage synths. Also in fairness, ditto for the Black Corporation who made my beloved Deckard's Dream as well as the Kijimi and Xerxes (CS-80, Polykobol and Synthex replicants, respectively)...I just happen to think the Black Corp does them better

    I can't say I have high hopes for the Behringer although I'll certainly be watching with more than passing curiosity. It'll probably be pricey (my money is the 2,500-3,500 range) but not as expensive as an actual CS-80 was or is now (I think they were around 8k new, and these days a used one in quality condition is well above the 20k mark).

    I am much more curious about what Yamaha could do if given the opportunity. In a perfect world I'd like to see something similar to the connection between the original Moog Model D Minimoog and the Moog Voyager: not so much an exact replica but something created in the spirit of the original but expanding upon the concept in interesting new ways.

    For example, the concept of a CS-80 in 2020: MPE capable (maybe even with a keyboard surface that could support it), LED display, expanded FX, perhaps CV in/out modulation options, an XY surface instead of just a ribbon (or maybe both), an 88-note fully-weighted keybed, FM oscillators or wavefolders, and so on.

    But at this point, both are essentially vaporware so who knows what, if anything, eventually surfaces.
    I tend to agree with you except for a couple of instances (the exception proving the rule?)

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...r-analog-synth

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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    In fairness...what Behringer is doing isn't innovation; he/they are basically making lower-priced knockoffs of popular vintage synths. Also in fairness, ditto for the Black Corporation who made my beloved Deckard's Dream as well as the Kijimi and Xerxes (CS-80, Polykobol and Synthex replicants, respectively)...I just happen to think the Black Corp does them better

    I can't say I have high hopes for the Behringer although I'll certainly be watching with more than passing curiosity. It'll probably be pricey (my money is the 2,500-3,500 range) but not as expensive as an actual CS-80 was or is now (I think they were around 8k new, and these days a used one in quality condition is well above the 20k mark).

    I am much more curious about what Yamaha could do if given the opportunity. In a perfect world I'd like to see something similar to the connection between the original Moog Model D Minimoog and the Moog Voyager: not so much an exact replica but something created in the spirit of the original but expanding upon the concept in interesting new ways.

    For example, the concept of a CS-80 in 2020: MPE capable (maybe even with a keyboard surface that could support it), LED display, expanded FX, perhaps CV in/out modulation options, an XY surface instead of just a ribbon (or maybe both), an 88-note fully-weighted keybed, FM oscillators or wavefolders, and so on.

    But at this point, both are essentially vaporware so who knows what, if anything, eventually surfaces.
    I have agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by fictionmusic View Post
    I tend to agree with you except for a couple of instances (the exception proving the rule?)

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...r-analog-synth
    And this one really looks interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fictionmusic View Post
    I tend to agree with you except for a couple of instances (the exception proving the rule?)

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...r-analog-synth
    Yep...both of their original synths appear to have pretty positive reviews and praise overall (there were some early reviews that indicated build issues but my guess is Behringer sorted that out at this point). IMHO that's a more interesting path for them, as opposed to clones. But that's very much IMHO.

    For those wanting the CS-80 sound, if you don't mind a software version the Arturia CS-80V is terrific. And if you want something approaching the sound but in a budget-friendly hardware format, I'd recommend the Yamaha Reface CS, which does a surprisingly good to great job of capturing the sound with a (comparatively) limited set of controls and editable parameters. It isn't the real deal...but for a few hundred bucks it's still a pretty good bang for the buck.
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    New, better design of the DS-80

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