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    Classical excerpt in Yessong's Clap?

    Tired of googling and figured I could definitely get an answer here. Anyone know what the passage around 2:30 in the Yessong's version of Clap is? Sounds like a classical quote (the part with the open string pull offs). Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaleGtr View Post
    Tired of googling and figured I could definitely get an answer here. Anyone know what the passage around 2:30 in the Yessong's version of Clap is? Sounds like a classical quote (the part with the open string pull offs). Thanks in advance!
    I don't have that handy, but he did weave in parts of "Classical Gas" often.

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    I think but I'm not sure, that it is an original piece. On the bonus track version of The Yes Album, there is a studio version of Clap and that piece is in there as well as some of in its infant stage, Mood for a Day.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaleGtr View Post
    Tired of googling and figured I could definitely get an answer here. Anyone know what the passage around 2:30 in the Yessong's version of Clap is? Sounds like a classical quote (the part with the open string pull offs). Thanks in advance!
    Took me a minute to figure out you were talking about the film, not the album!

    I think you're right, at about 2:20 that part with the pull offs is, I believe, a classical piece. I thought it might be Romance, but it isn't. I'll swear I've heard it on a classical guitar CD somewhere, but I can't put my finger on what it is. At about 2:28 he goes into another piece which may or may not be related to the first piece, then he does a Flamenco-like part that could just be an exercise or it could be a classical/Flamenco piece, or it could be original (it bears a strong resemblance to a part he plays in Sound Chaser during the guitar break).

    It will be interesting to see if anyone knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaleGtr View Post
    Tired of googling and figured I could definitely get an answer here. Anyone know what the passage around 2:30 in the Yessong's version of Clap is? Sounds like a classical quote (the part with the open string pull offs). Thanks in advance!
    I'm no Spanish guitar expert, but maybe a part of "Leyenda" or "Sevilla" by Albeniz?

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    This is great regardless!

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    Thanks for the replies!

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    You're right Ronmac, Howe has incorporated parts of Classical Gas but not here.

    Onward- thanks for the tip. Surprisingly, I don't have that version in my collection but am aware of it. It could be original but the opening part 2:20-2:30 sounds like a quote to me.

    Sputnik- I agree with your breakdown (not having heard the alternate studio version). The pull off section doesn't sound in the style of Howe. After 2:30 could be something completely different as it shifts styles and could (from 2:30 on) be original.

    Chalkpie- thanks for the suggestion. Not Leyanda though it was damn good hearing Segovia's version of it! :-)

    Included the clip- something I should have done to begin with.
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    This is great regardless!
    I don't know about Yes, but definitely The Doors...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dark Elf View Post
    I don't know about Yes, but definitely The Doors...
    Wow, did they acknowledge Albeniz or was that flat out theft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    Wow, did they acknowledge Albeniz or was that flat out theft?
    There was no credit, so if you want to consider a classical quote theft, then yeah. They also didn't credit Chopin on "Hyacinth House," or Mongo Santamaria for whatever track it is that borrows "Afro Blue" on Absolutely Live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    Wow, did they acknowledge Albeniz or was that flat out theft?
    Robby Krieger was a flamenco guitar student prior to joining The Doors. I believe they acknowledged the guitar part was a "reworking" of the melody from the classical piece "Asturias" by Albéniz, but it wasn't listed on the album credits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post
    Took me a minute to figure out you were talking about the film, not the album!

    I think you're right, at about 2:20 that part with the pull offs is, I believe, a classical piece. I thought it might be Romance, but it isn't. I'll swear I've heard it on a classical guitar CD somewhere, but I can't put my finger on what it is. At about 2:28 he goes into another piece which may or may not be related to the first piece, then he does a Flamenco-like part that could just be an exercise or it could be a classical/Flamenco piece, or it could be original (it bears a strong resemblance to a part he plays in Sound Chaser during the guitar break).

    It will be interesting to see if anyone knows.

    Bill
    Hey Bill! Yeah, that section from 2:32 to 2:45 is totally Sound Chaser! That section from 2:20-2:30 is still driving me crazy, though. Nothing more than a simple sequence but it sounds like 'something'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaleGtr View Post
    Hey Bill! Yeah, that section from 2:32 to 2:45 is totally Sound Chaser!
    Yeah, I played them side by side and it sounded pretty identical to me. Same key even. I'm guessing that was a exercise of some sort, could be original, or could have been derived from an exercise in Spanish or Flamenco guitar. It may be an actual piece, but I've never heard exactly that in another piece.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaleGtr View Post
    That section from 2:20-2:30 is still driving me crazy, though. Nothing more than a simple sequence but it sounds like 'something'.
    Yeah, now it's driving me crazy too. I keep checking in to see it someone has solved the mystery.

    Bill

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    It just sounds baroque to me - possibly a Bach or Vivaldi chord progression? If its an actual piece, maybe SH is the only one who may know which one.

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    Here's 2:20-2:45 Click on image to see full size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onward View Post
    I think but I'm not sure, that it is an original piece. On the bonus track version of The Yes Album, there is a studio version of Clap and that piece is in there as well as some of in its infant stage, Mood for a Day.

    Hope that helps.
    Just listened to that version. Haven't heard it since shortly after it was released. With the exception of the Mood for a Day passage this is it! Maybe it is original but as Chalkpie says it has a certain old time feel to it.
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    Not Necessarily Acoustic does feature a small bit of Hugo Alfven's Swedish Rhapsody - I no longer have the CD, but it's credited just after Mood for Day, but might have been segued into the track there. --Peter

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    I know Mood for a Day sounds a bit like the children's song that is sung in Hitchcocks The Birds during the school scene where the birds move in on the elementary school lol

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    Thanks for the tip Peter. Pretty sure I have NNA at home. Will have to check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaleGtr View Post
    Here's 2:20-2:45 Click on image to see full size.

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    LOL, holy crap. Someone actually transcribed the film version? That's an impressive level of Howe fanboy-ism!
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    LOL! Just that section. The rest of it I'll leave to the OCD Conall Gallagher to figure out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post


    This is great regardless!
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