We can all learn a lot from looking at Yes...Originally Posted by JJ88
^Well I'd be surprised if you said anything else given the current situation with Yes.
Henry
We can all learn a lot from looking at Yes...^Well I'd be surprised if you said anything else given the current situation with Yes.
Henry
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Yeah, call me contradictorious, but while I have no problem with the current Yes lineup, I find the idea of Rush with anyone other than Geddy, Alex, and Neil absurd.
They are different bands with different histories. I think it's fair to see them differently. I also praise your use of the word "contradictorious".
I trust and hope that Lee, Lifeson and Peart will treat each other fairly and, should it come to this, have a sensible discussion should Lee/Lifeson want to continue doing Rush-y stuff while Peart doesn't. (I couldn't say those things about Yes!) I have no idea whether Lee/Lifeson ever would want to work under the Rush name without Peart. Peart might say, "Sure, go for it," which would put a different complexion on the situation than if Peart objected.
My point, however, isn't about how Lee, Lifeson and Peart treat each other or use the name. It's about how the fans treat Lee, Lifeson and Peart. The name has power and commercial value because we, the audience, give it such. If the audience treated a hypothetical Lee/Lifeson project sans Peart the same whether it was called "Rush" or something else, it wouldn't matter, but they don't. Anything called "Rush" will sell way better, so the choice of name ceases to be merely about what feels right among the three and becomes something with huge commercial significance. If fans write the Rush story in their minds as ending with Angels, then Lee and Lifeson are screwed when it comes to commercial viability for anything else.
Henry
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That makes sense to me. They don't seem like guys who are in it for their egos therefore I don't think it's all that important for them to call something they are doing RUSH if Neil wasn't involved. It seems to me they do this because they enjoy making music and also they want to keep their fans happy(not that their fans come before their interest or anything).
No Rush for me without all of the members. If Geddy and Alex want to do something without Neil, just don't call it Rush.
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Keep in mind as well that it's not like these guys have to worry about retirement funds. Rush never dipped down to the point of playing casinos, of staying on the road to pay the bills like so many of their peers. If they do anything it'll be because they want to, not because they have to. If Alex decides he'd rather spend his time playing golf, strumming his guitar, and enjoyingthat's what he's going to do.
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down.'- Bob Newhart
Rush would not tour if a member was missing for some reason. They just don't seem the kind of band that would make a mess of their legacy. No no, I'm not pointing fingers at any particular band. I'm saying they don't seem the type to just drag around in any form other than the three of them. Just one great album from Alex would be enough for me.
The older I get, the better I was.
What he said, from so far away.
The older I get, the better I was.
I could imagine a situation where Peart provides the lyrics for a Lee-Lifeson project that includes other musicians. Maybe another singer who could hit the high notes Geddy can't reach anymore, a keys player, and a drummer. Maybe the keys player and the singer split duties on second guitar to handle studio overdubs and/or give Alex's hands a bit of a break.
Who knows? It could be a fascinating project. And I don't imagine they'd call it Rush. Maybe The Geddy & Alex Show.
I thought Victor was really creative, although I only listened for a while when it came out. My Favorite Headache is also solid, less creative, and not close to a recent Rush album. The only song that is Rush to me is the last one, Grace to Grace.
And Vapor Trails,their last great album, smashes both of those into a fine powder. The best since Power Windows
I'd be interested in that type of project.I could imagine a situation where Peart provides the lyrics for a Lee-Lifeson project that includes other musicians. Maybe another singer who could hit the high notes Geddy can't reach anymore, a keys player, and a drummer. Maybe the keys player and the singer split duties on second guitar to handle studio overdubs and/or give Alex's hands a bit of a break.
Who knows? It could be a fascinating project. And I don't imagine they'd call it Rush. Maybe The Geddy & Alex Show.
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No Rutsy, No Rush!
I don't know what you call this band that's band limping around for the last 40+ years with this spastic, over-the-top drummer writing all this artsy gobbledygook. There's no future in that kind of rubbish!
Seriously though, i think Peart was pretty clear on what his intentions were, Clockwork Angels is a very high note to end it on, I'm good with that.
Clockwork Angels is not a bad album at all but I'd like to think they still have one more in them before they officially retire(if that is indeed what they plan on doing).
Working as "The Lee/Lifeson Project" with smaller commercial expectations would give them the possibility of exploring some musical avenues they couldn't get away with in Rush. Plus, Geddy would only be obligated to do what his current voice would allow, not pretend to be 30 years younger.
Or he could even avoid singing completely or just do backing vocals if they got a new singer. They'd be able to do that, since they wouldn't be Rush.
Funny how I thought Rush was done as a rock band when I heard Hold Your Fire. I came in on Power Windows and thought that and everything up to it was incredible.
So even if finished as a rock band 30 years ago, I assumed they would still make great instrumental albums.
(This actually happened in other corners of the multiverse.)
I count 9 changes, although all 40+ years ago.
Henry
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Without Neil, there is an obvious hole - the Lyrics. I think you would lose a good 30 percent of Rush fans based on that. Without Neils drums, probably another 20. The point is not really about putting butts in the seats. Its about Geddy and Alex still staying relevant. This is a tricky thing to walk through. They have to miss being a "leader" in the music world. After all these years, who is still standing? Only really the Stones. Yes is limping along, though I want to assume that they still play because they want to and not necessarily for the paycheck (talking Howe and WHite here - not the add ons). I could see Geddy and Alex as still absolutely on top of their game. Why quit when there is still something in the tank? I honestly have no idea what they will do, but I am hoping they are weighing all their options.
How many bands of Rush caliber are there still working? Almost none. I till my son to a Rush concert back in the R30 days, and he says he still has never seen anything like that since. And he goes to alot of concerts for artists that supposedly are "at the top" and compared to Rush, they all look like bar bands.
I got nothin' :
...avoiding any implication that I have ever entertained a cognizant thought.
live samples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwbCFGbAtFc
https://youtu.be/AEE5OZXJioE
https://soundcloud.com/yodelgoat/yod...om-a-live-show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUe3YhCjy6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VOCJokzL_s
How about Spirit of Rush?I could imagine a situation where Peart provides the lyrics for a Lee-Lifeson project that includes other musicians. Maybe another singer who could hit the high notes Geddy can't reach anymore, a keys player, and a drummer. Maybe the keys player and the singer split duties on second guitar to handle studio overdubs and/or give Alex's hands a bit of a break.
Who knows? It could be a fascinating project. And I don't imagine they'd call it Rush. Maybe The Geddy & Alex Show.
I don't really imagine they care about "commercial success" at this point. They have already had that in spades. If they want to keep playing and creating music they will do it regardless, and I would say more power to them. I haven't bought a Rush album since Presto, so it doesn't really matter to me what they do. I checked out some live clips on YouTube before the R40 tour and found that Geddy's voice was not something I could listen to anymore, so I didn't go see them. I saw them back in the 90's a few times and those were amazing shows. I'm betting they will do whatever they want, as they always have.
I could imagine a situation where Peart provides the lyrics for a Lee-Lifeson project that includes other musicians. Maybe another singer who could hit the high notes Geddy can't reach anymore, a keys player, and a drummer. Maybe the keys player and the singer split duties on second guitar to handle studio overdubs and/or give Alex's hands a bit of a break.
Who knows? It could be a fascinating project. And I don't imagine they'd call it Rush. Maybe The Geddy & Alex Show.Okay. Now I really want this to happen.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
Just this evening I finished Neil Peart's new book Far and Wide, about,the R40 tour last year and his motorcycle tour within that tour, and the impression I got from reading it is that he's done, at least with touring. He also said he's "modestly and proudly content" if Clockwork Angels lyrics are the last lyrics he writes. He has an eight year old daughter he adores and he sounds happy "retired". Throughout the book he reminisced and sounded melancholy about traveling thru some of these towns on the last tour, knowing it was the last time he would make such a motorcycle ride. That came thru clearly. Hey, I'll miss him, but thanks for 40 amazing years,,and enjoy the rest of your life, which we paid for (!)
Personally, I think I'm done with Rush for the time being, and I mean that in a positive way.
I think Peart could have handled his impending retirement more considerately, as it sounds like he wasn't entirely forthcoming with Alex and Geddy in the run-up to the last tour. I gather that the whole production was all set to roll on to Europe and other territories as part of the unofficial farewell process, and the whole thing had to be scrapped at the last minute because Peart refused.
Having read his earlier travelogues, I was left with a dislike of the guy and his somewhat self-centred view on life - outstanding drummer and erudite lyricist, but possible dinner guest? Nah.
Apparently, on one of the last nights, he presented Alex and Geddy with customised t-shirts celebrating his retiral, and Alex dumped his in the bin in disgust- this was revealed by someone on the crew, who also mentioned that on the last night it was clear there was a rift as the two guitarists walked to the stage together with Neil doing his own thing.
Even disregarding the above observation, I was disappointed that the trio couldn't come to some sort of accommodation to see out dates beyond the US and Canada. Alex and Geddy were there for Neil when he was grieving back in 2000, and I'm pretty sure they would have acceded to any demands made by Neil to limit shows / widen gaps between dates to support him. Both guitarists have gone on record saying they were disappointed that they couldn't finish things off in other territories that had been supportive to them over their career.
But at the same time when you watch R40 live you can see that even early on in the set Neil is really having to draw on all his energy reserves just to get to the end of Headlong Flight, so I'm not surprised that he's done with touring.
I was a bit hacked off during summer 2015 because I'd held out hope (and funds and holidays) waiting for UK dates, and that hope slowly faded. But a year on, I'm fine with it - I consider myself grateful to have seen UK dates for the previous four tours, and I feel Clockwork Angels is a fine album to bow out on, musically and lyrically.
Rush have been part of my musical DNA for 36 years, but I'm content to let them go and enjoy their retirement, and wouldn't want to see them tarnish a classy legacy by playing live without Neil, or recording an album in which his heart wasn't in it.
They are going to retire very wealthy men.
NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPID PEOPLE IN LARGE GROUPS!
i stopped seeing Rush live after r30. they are relentless about playing on stage as a 3 piece band.
but because they use backup tapes, computer programs, prerecorded material in their shows, it turned me off.
anyway, they have released live CD/DVD's with every tour. so why bother, i can watch these shows over and over.
as for the future, i hope they do record more albums, it's not like they can't write anymore.
but if they do tour, i wouldn't have a problem with them using session players on stage with them so their shows can be 100% live.
no problem with a drummer & a percussionist to take Neil's place on stage.
no problem with a keyboardist to free up Geddy for only bass and vocals.
and no problem with a backup guitarist to take the load off Alex. Rush as a six piece touring band..
if you go see Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Sting, PG, etc.... there are as many as 10-15 musicians on that stage.
live means live....
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