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    Top 1970s Italian Prog (excluding Le Orme, PFM, and Banco

    Excluding Le Orme, Banco, and PFM, who are the main Italian bands from the 1970s that match the "Big Three" or surpass them. A few that come to mind immediately are Celeste, Latte E. Meile, New Trolls, Semiramis, Alphataurus, Arti E Mestieri, Picchio Dal Pozzo. I think there are dozens of Italian bands that are as good or better then the "Big Three".

    What are you top bands and why do you think they are equal or better compared to Le Orme, PFM, or Banco?

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    Some great ones listed there (although to me, New Trolls only made one good album).

    Metamorfosi and Area are near the top of my list for sure, along with Corte Dei Miracoli, Il Balletto Di Bronzo, Museo Rosenbach, Il Rovescio Della Medaglia, Jumbo, Osanna, Maxophone, Pierrot Lunaire, Murple, Quella Vecchia Locanda... so much greatness. And the resurgence in the 2000s has been spectacular too, with a lot of modern Italian bands giving a nod to the greats of the 70s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mozo-pg View Post
    Excluding Le Orme, Banco, and PFM, who are the main Italian bands from the 1970s that match the "Big Three" or surpass them. A few that come to mind immediately are Celeste, Latte E. Meile, New Trolls, Semiramis, Alphataurus, Arti E Mestieri, Picchio Dal Pozzo. I think there are dozens of Italian bands that are as good or better then the "Big Three".

    What are you top bands and why do you think they are equal or better compared to Le Orme, PFM, or Banco?
    Difficult question as each of the "top 3" had 3-5 albums in the 70s that rank at or near the top of many lists. The majority of other Italian artists like Balletto di Bronzo (for example), had one monumentally praised album and really nothing else to show for. So it's hard to suggest Balletto or any other 1 off, 2 off band can compare with the combined output of the big 3. So I would think you'd have to almost distinguish between what "albums" were better and what "artists" were better if that makes sense.

    With that in mind...I would only put Area, New Trolls, and Goblin as worthy contenders from an output standpoint.

    But I would label all these albums as on par or superior with "the big 3" personally speaking:

    Il Balletto di Bronzo, - Ys
    Apoteosi - s/t
    Alphataurus – s/t
    Arti + Mestieri - Tilt
    Cherry Five - s/t
    Corte dei Miracoli – s/t
    New Trolls – UT
    RDM - Contaminazione
    Area - Crac!
    Goblin - Roller
    Latte E Miele - Papillon
    Osanna - Palepoli
    Perigeo - Abbiamo Tutti Un Blues Da Piangere
    Quella Vecchia Locanda - s/t
    Maxophone – s/t
    Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
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    I love those three (and Banco espec), but I'd personally rate the following above them:

    Picchio dal Pozzo
    Jumbo
    Cervello
    Stormy Six
    AreA
    Il Balletto di Bronzo

    These I'd rate particularly high as well:

    Locanda delle Fate
    Arti e Mestieri
    Maxophone
    Mamma Non Piangere
    Procession
    Pierrot Lunaire
    Alusa Fallax
    Festa Mobile
    Flea/Etna
    Franco Battiato
    Roberto Colombo
    Museo Rosenbach
    Raccomandata Ricevuta Ritorno
    Libra (1st.)
    Ibis (Sun Supreme, very underrated)

    There are shitloads of others, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisoned Youth View Post
    Difficult question as each of the "top 3" had 3-5 albums in the 70s that rank at or near the top of many lists. The majority of other Italian artists like Balletto di Bronzo (for example), had one monumentally praised album and really nothing else to show for. So it's hard to suggest Balletto or any other 1 off, 2 off band can compare with the combined output of the big 3. So I would think you'd have to almost distinguish between what "albums" were better and what "artists" were better if that makes sense.

    With that in mind...I would only put Area, New Trolls, and Goblin as worthy contenders from an output standpoint.

    But I would label all these albums as on par or superior with "the big 3" personally speaking:

    Il Balletto di Bronzo, - Ys
    Apoteosi - s/t
    Alphataurus – s/t
    Arti + Mestieri - Tilt
    Cherry Five - s/t
    Corte dei Miracoli – s/t
    New Trolls – UT
    RDM - Contaminazione
    Area - Crac!
    Goblin - Roller
    Latte E Miele - Papillon
    Osanna - Palepoli
    Perigeo - Abbiamo Tutti Un Blues Da Piangere
    Quella Vecchia Locanda - s/t
    Maxophone – s/t
    Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
    I see what you mean and was reflecting on this point when I started the thread. More than one band on my list only released one album. People can go with albums or artists.

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    To many good ones to mention just a few, but I second all those mentioned above. (there are much more like Campo di Marte, Eneide or Semiramis and Shamadi etc, etc.)

    I don't rate bands by: this one is better than that one. I just enjoy the great music.
    Italy is a great place for Prog, if it's the 70s or the also great new scene.

    I also like the fact that many of the bands mentioned are still around. There will be new studio albums by the big 3 soon.
    Jumbo just reformed! Maxophone are working on a new album. The new album by RDM will be out soon etc.etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    I love those three (and Banco espec), but I'd personally rate the following above them:

    Picchio dal Pozzo
    Ouch! I have travelled around Brittany this summer and one day I go to a second-hand record store in a small town, start flipping through CDs and suddenly notice the same titled Quella Vecchia Locanda disc at a reduced price. So I think to myself, isn't it this band that Scrotum regularly trumpets on the forum as the pinnacle of Italian prog, as the very top of Canterbury influenced bands? This must be it, so I pick it and carry back to the hotel, unwrap it, put into a discman, listen once, scratch my head, listen for the second time, all the time asking myself: what is going on?

    Not a bad piece of music, but no way close to the summit of adventurous prog. And where the hell is the purported Canterbury influence? That Scrotum obviously must be hitting the age when people get sentimental and start to see their youthful infatuations through rose-coloured glasses, I say to myself, putting the disc back into case.

    Today I am opening this thread and read: Picchio Dal Pozzo! Jeez, this was the name of the band! Those bloody multi-word Italian band names!



    PS In the meanwhile, after a good few listens, in desperate search of elusive Canterbury gene, I started to like Quella Vecchia Locanda anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    Some great ones listed there (although to me, New Trolls only made one good album).
    I'm guessing your referring to Atomic System (not sure). Concerto Grosso has some nice music on it.

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    They probably don't fit into the "Italian Prog" pigeonhole but I think Nova is worthy of consideration. I think some guy named Phil Collins plays on this


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay.Dee View Post
    I started to like Quella Vecchia Locanda anyway...
    I'm a bit sentimental about QVL too, in fact. They were in my first bin of buys from the Record Heaven mailorder retail (Sweden) back in '94, when labels such as Contempo, Fonit Cetra and Vetesse had recently (or as early as '89) started a reissue campaign on vinyl for Italian semi-obscure progressive. I remember others in that shipment; Metamorfosi's Inferno, Museo Rosenbach's Zarathustra, Reale Accademia di Musica's s/t, Ricordi D'Infanzia s/t, Cervello's Melos (still my single fave "symph" progressive title from Italy) and several Banco releases. I later bought an additional dozen-or-so vinyl reissues from Italy and ended up storing some 60+ of them for my collection. I prefer all this on vinyl, as most of the initial CD-reissues were rips anyway, often donning tedious hiss.

    I read the story of how QVL were from Rome and used to rehearse in the basement of a tavern in the old Jewish ghetto quarters of the city, and that they basically drew their name from this particular place. On getting married three years later and going to Rome for my honeymoon, we came across this beautiful restaurant called La Vecchia Locanda and naturally sought table there - and guess what? We were seated in the basement, with the waiter assuring us that the tavern had not changed its name since the mid-60s and was definitely the only one carrying it in this part of town - i.e. the old ghetto. Alas we were in fact dining in what had once been QVL's rehearsal space.

    True story.

    I still like their debut (especially) very much. They were like a garage-version of PFM to my ears.
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    my Italian 'A-list' through 1979 excluding the "big 3" (in order from FANTASTIC to GREAT):

    Balletto di Bronzo, Il Ys
    Rovescio della Medaglia, Il Contaminazione
    Sensations' Fix Portable Madness
    Arti + Mestieri Tilt
    Latte E Miele Papillon
    Metamorfosi Inferno
    Volo, Il Essere O Non Essere
    Arti + Mestieri Giro Di Valzer Per Domani
    Basso, Luciano Voci
    Biglietto Per l'Inferno Biglietto Per l'Inferno
    Celeste I Suoni In Una Sfera
    Celeste Celeste (aka Principe Di Un Giorno)
    Latte E Miele Passio Secundum Mattheum
    Latte E Miele Aquile e Scoiattoli
    Quella Vecchia Locanda Quella Vecchia Locanda
    Rovescio della Medaglia, Il ..Giudizio Avrai
    Sensations' Fix Fragments of Light
    Volo, Il Il Volo
    Baricentro, Il Sconcerto
    Etna Etna
    Formula 3 Sognando e Risognando
    Locanda delle Fate Forse Le Lucciole Non Si Amano Piu
    Maxophone Maxophone
    New Trolls Tempi Dispari
    Osanna Milano Calibro 9
    Sensations' Fix Finest Finger
    Venegoni & Co. Rumore Rosso



    then there are these (which are VERY GOOD):

    Apoteosi Apoteosi
    Area Crac!
    Baricentro, Il Trusciant
    Battiato, Franco Pollution
    Bella Band Bella Band
    Biglietto Per l'Inferno Il Tempo della Semina
    Celeste II
    Cervello Melos
    Colombo, Roberto Botte Da Orbi
    De Piscopo, Tullio Revolt Group Sotto e 'ncoppa
    Delirium III: Viaggio Negli Arcipelaghi del Tempo
    Falsini, Franco Cold Nose
    Formula 3 La Grande Casa
    Goblin Roller
    Ibis Sun Supreme
    Museo Rosenbach Zarathustra
    Osanna Palepoli
    Perigeo Genealogia
    Quella Vecchia Locanda Il Tempo della Gioia
    Sensations' Fix Sensations Fix
    Sensations' Fix Boxes Paradise
    Vuolo, Antonio & Elio Grande Desert

    Quote Originally Posted by mozo-pg View Post
    What are you top bands and why do you think they are equal or better compared to Le Orme, PFM, or Banco?
    for me personally, no Symphonic Rock artists come close to classic PFM and Banco; not even any of the Brit bands (though some classic Crimso and Camel come close)

    As for Le Orme; their classic material is great but not any greater than my Italian 'A-list' stuff
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    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    So, someone actually came in and awarded this thread a one-star rating? I guess the thought of a rock artist applying anything but English tongue and the other "as known" faccets is destined to remain a menace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    So, someone actually came in and awarded this thread a one-star rating? I guess the thought of a rock artist applying anything but English tongue and the other "as known" faccets is destined to remain a menace.
    The rating is for our holiday stories I suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay.Dee View Post
    The rating is for our holiday stories I suspect.
    You mean Rufus never got around to a honeymoon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    You mean Rufus never got around to a honeymoon?
    No, he just cannot believe how foolish I turned out to be buying an album with no long jazzy improvisations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mozo-pg View Post
    I'm guessing your referring to Atomic System (not sure). Concerto Grosso has some nice music on it.
    I meant Concerto Grosso.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    I meant Concerto Grosso.
    I like Tempi Dispari best, but CG1 is pretty solid too
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Given that I only really like Darwin's first three, PFM's first two and don't really appreciate any of the classic Le Orme, it won't be hard to find albums I consider at least equal to what those "top 3" bands have done



    no order:

    Jumbo - Vietato
    Area - Crac!
    Osanna - Palepoli
    Perigeo - Abbiamo Tutti Un Blues Da Piangere
    Quella Vecchia Locanda - s/t
    Picchio dal Pozzo - s/t (count the other two in as well)
    Jumbo - DNA
    Pierrot Lunaire - Gudrun
    Flea - Topo Nomi
    Celeste - Principe Di Un Giorno
    Garybaldy - Astrolabio
    Etna - Etna
    Perigeo - Genealogia
    Quella Vecchia Locanda - Il Tempo della Gioia
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    Nice to see so much love for Corte dei Miracoli. That’s long been a personal fave of mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    I meant Concerto Grosso.
    I thought he meant UT! So there's three great albums! I know some don't like UT but I do.

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    Buon Vecchio Charlie - Buon Vecchio Charlie (1971)
    Latte E Miele - Passio Secundum Mattheum (1972)
    Zauber - s/t (1978)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay.Dee View Post
    PS In the meanwhile, after a good few listens, in desperate search of elusive Canterbury gene, I started to like Quella Vecchia Locanda anyway...
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